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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38701: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:34:57 PM

If Palin/Bachman 2016 happens, then the Republican Party actually is doomed to irrelevance.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38702: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:36:53 PM

link

Obama has said that he has begged her to stay on, and she has refused

Aww that's heart-warning waii

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38703: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:37:16 PM

Eh, let's stop asking about 2016. There aren't any obvious contenders this time around. Well, I guess there's Santorum, but so many "Well, every time X has happened-" events occurred this cycle that I'm not even gonna bother.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38704: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:38:19 PM

[up]

Paul Ryan, Jindai, Christie, Rubio, Martinez, Rand Paul, etc

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38705: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:40:09 PM

Somehow I doubt Bachmann/Palin will be a thing. Palin's been pretty irrelevant except when she gets herself on TV, and Bachmann.... well I doubt we'll hear more of her later on.

Anyway, I wouldn't count Libertarians as separate from the Republicans; most Libertarians run with the Republicans as it currently stands. And they can't reach much more success considering their contradictory ideas of "free market" versus their values of personal liberties. (I'm thinking of private prisons here, which to reform means taking back full state control since it's private prisons that want to be full as oppose to state prisons.)

Greens are actually far more distinguishable from the Democrats than the Libs are from the Republicans. And given that people are becoming more concerned with things like green energy, more likely to be listened. They have much the same stance as Libs on legalizing drugs anyhow.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38706: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:40:38 PM

deathpigeon: Exactly, it's the perfect plan! They either cancel out their stupidity (in math two negatives make a positive) or they cause the GOP to self destruct completely.

[up]Could the Libs and Greens possibly mix together to form a viable second party (with a few ex Rs and Ds of course)?

edited 7th Nov '12 4:41:41 PM by Kostya

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38707: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:40:49 PM

Oh and @keeping this thread: this is less of a single topic and more of a megathread comparable to those in Yack Fest, only about US politics. I think the consensus is that people want to keep it that way. But since the elections have calmed down, it could use more of a lull in activity. I don't think it's appealing when every miniature news floods the thread.

Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38708: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:42:01 PM

We've got the midterms up before the next presidential election. I don't think we'll need to worry about candidates for two more years.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38709: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:42:25 PM

Gary Johnson had many more votes this election, though, getting about .95% of the popular vote, as opposed to .33% of the popular vote that Jill Stein got.

@Kostaya: More likely is that both the Libs and Greens will basically invade Congress, and work together to reform the system so that they could survive.

edited 7th Nov '12 4:44:03 PM by deathpigeon

truteal animation elitist from the great southern land Since: Sep, 2009
animation elitist
#38710: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:43:14 PM

If Obama doesn't screw up his second term, Biden will probably be the 2016 Democratic nomination

I wouldn't be suprised if Santorum or Ron Paul decided to run again (I'd like to see Jon Huntsman run again)

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/ http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38711: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:44:55 PM

[up]I expect the Republican primaries to be dominated by the same bunch as last time with Paul Ryan taking Romney's place.

[up][up]I wouldn't mind that so long as the Libertarians don't get too crazy.

edited 7th Nov '12 4:45:21 PM by Kostya

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38712: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:45:03 PM

Ron Paul didn't even run for House. I think he's retiring and leaving things to his son, Rand.

Paul Ryan, however, is still in the House.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#38713: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:45:21 PM

@Tomu: I was wrong about the election, but I just see no evidence that republicans will go "Maybe we should work together and stop this fiscal cliff"

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38714: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:48:51 PM

@Kostaya: I wouldn't mind either, since I agree with the Libertarians on half of the things, just not on anything economic.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#38715: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:48:59 PM

Santorum/Bachman 2016 would be fun to watch. You know, like a slow motion train wreck.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#38716: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:49:06 PM

Boehner indicated his willingness to work with Obama on the fiscal cliff. No details but at least it's a step in the right direction.

edited 7th Nov '12 4:52:28 PM by Fighteer

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truteal animation elitist from the great southern land Since: Sep, 2009
animation elitist
#38717: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:50:35 PM

The only way in my view for the Republicans to win in 2016 is if Obama really screws up his second term.

A Good Republican Ticket: Huntsman/Rubio

A Believable Republican Ticket: Santorum/Bachmann

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/ http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38718: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:50:57 PM

[up][up]Boehner has very little influence over the Tea Party though.

edited 7th Nov '12 4:51:25 PM by Kostya

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#38719: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:53:43 PM

@Tomu: I was wrong about the election, but I just see no evidence that republicans will go "Maybe we should work together and stop this fiscal cliff"
Their constituencies. Kind of hard to blame a lame-duck president as a boogeyman. People remembered Bush administration was responsible for letting the recession get as bad as it did. So the American people aren't stupid.

Boehner has very little influence over the Tea Party though.
He is Speaker of the House, which makes him Primus Inter Pares among the Republicans.

edited 7th Nov '12 4:55:57 PM by PotatoesRock

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38720: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:55:09 PM

[up][up]

But he does have influence over establishment Republicans.

Get ready for another round of "The Tea Party VS The GOP"

edited 7th Nov '12 4:55:32 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Fish1 h Since: Sep, 2010
h
#38721: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:55:10 PM

The most obvious avenue for the GOP is to nominate Rubio in 2016 and push immigration reform to grap the Hispanic vote. Unfortunately for them...

edited 7th Nov '12 4:55:37 PM by Fish1

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38722: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:56:23 PM

[up]

So that's what happened to Joe the Plumber!

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38723: Nov 7th 2012 at 4:59:56 PM

I'm just wondering where all these teapartiers came from?

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#38724: Nov 7th 2012 at 5:00:11 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/harry-reid-filibuster-reform_n_2088767.html?ref=topbar

Harry Reid is apparently going to make reforming the Senate's rules one of his immediate concerns, by gutting the Motion to Proceed and requiring more use of the actual Filibuster.

I'm just wondering where all these teapartiers came from?
Somewhat astroturfed movement of people who were heavily disgruntled with how Washington has rocketed the deficit, how we abused stimulus money, and how we didn't let the banks Darwinize themselves. Fox News and big Republicans hijacked it and then pumped it full of religious crazy, and well...

edited 7th Nov '12 5:02:21 PM by PotatoesRock

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#38725: Nov 7th 2012 at 5:02:50 PM

I personally think there should be a percentage cap on filibuster usage, so that it's the minority who will be forced to compromise and not the majority.


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