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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Despite Obama victory, Hillary Clinton still aims to leave
Thorn, with all due respect, you were in the doom and gloom ultimate pessimism over this election, and were basically wrong on every account. It's very rare that I consider pessimists to be systematically in the wrong, but just from an academic "learning to fix my world model" standpoint, you might want to re-approach how you view things so that you'll have greater predictive power in the future.
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Well, maybe she is quitting now to disengage herself from Obama. Assuming Biden will make an attempt at the presidency he will be seen as Obamas "heir".
By creating some distance between herself and the second Obama term she might want to create the picture of running as herself and not an offshoot of the last administration like Biden.
Just speculation, though.
Also, I'd assume a primary run needs a lot of preparation and she doesn#t want to split time with the (I assume) very consuming job she currently has.
edited 7th Nov '12 4:26:41 PM by 3of4
"You can reply to this Message!"There is actually a marked change in the attitudes of conservative pundits... In the last presidential election, they were encouraging people to make Obama a one-term president right after he got into office. Now, they aren't going on about taking back the White House from another Democratic president since Obama can't run for a third term. Instead, they appear to be almost mournful, as if they know their ideals are screwed in the long run.
On their possibly being a three-party system, that'll never happen since our winner-take-all scheme can only support two parties... There will be a couple of fractured votes for various parties during the Republicans' death throes, but soon enough we would be back to two parties again. However, I imagine the Republicans will course-correct themselves and eliminate social conservatism from being a major focus.
edited 7th Nov '12 4:29:05 PM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food Badly@Tomu: I second this motion, and propose to extend it to all pessimists.
In other news; contemplate reading this
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EDIT: Forgot about Clinton. I honestly think she's retiring from politics; she's been on the national stage for twenty years. That, and I think her chances of winning the presidential election are worse than Biden's.
edited 7th Nov '12 4:33:28 PM by Arkasas
@3of4: She apparently isn't planning on running in 2016, so she's probably just retiring in general.
@GG: If the Republican Party demolishes itself, the next president would probably be a Democrat, but the Libertarian and Green Parties would win a bunch of seats in Congress, and get a bunch of Congressman switching from both the Republican and Democratic Parties to them, and they would probably attempt to change the system, working together, to get rid of FPTP, since neither wants to become irrelevant, nor have no presidents, and there might even be a successful push to get rid of the Electoral College. They would probably be doing that out of self interest and a desire to survive as significant parties, but it would be good for this nation regardless.
This new article
(posted yesterday morning) says that she wants to retire from politics, after spending a lot of energy (she was a heavily involved first lady and also a senator). I doubt she'll run against the administration on anything.
I don't think it's unusual for her to retire. Robert Gates was Secretary of Defense under Bush and retired after Obama was almost done wrapping up Iraq.

Let me just say for the record that I would be extremely surprised if the GOP had a complete breakdown after this election. The margin of victory was too close for that. Further, there is just too much big money backing them. The proof of what happens from here on out will be, in order:
The biggest indicator of a pending shakeup will be a change in the pundits making the rounds on Fox News. For example, if Karl Rove splits from the mainstream GOP, that would be a big signal.
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