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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#38651: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:26:06 PM

Yes but in every elction that has gone bad for them since 92 the conclusion the Republican Party has come to is that they lost because they haven't been right-wing enough.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#38652: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:27:32 PM

[up] And eventually that will cause the party to either become so ridiculous that nobody will support them, or they'll split into two parties.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38653: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:29:12 PM

@Ace: Because it moves the center further right by conservatives defining him as a liberal, despite him being a moderate conservative, so the entire spectrum will move right in the minds of the voter, therefore the country will move right, though with some delay.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38654: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:30:00 PM

Well I guess we'll see how people will react in the coming week. *shrug*

[up]That only really works if the general public agrees with them, though. And if people continue to vote for Democrats... well, Republicans have failed at redefining the center.

edited 7th Nov '12 2:31:01 PM by AceofSpades

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38655: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:30:13 PM

I would like to point out that if the GOP hadn't gotten Fox News and Limbaugh to promote their narrative for the last twenty years they probably would have faded into irrelevance already. They have gone to ludicrous means to prop up the Republicans and convince people they're not the insane ones. If the media told the truth and those two didn't exist we'd probably be looking at a more decisive Democratic victory.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38656: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:30:30 PM

This whole moving further and further right because of cult of centrism-ism is really worrying..,

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#38657: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:30:36 PM

@deathpigeon: We still have huge political hurdles to overcome in the country related to the center point having been set so far to the right. That has to get moved back at some point if we're to have rational debate over these topics.

@Kostya: The problem is the big money interests backing the Republican Party and Fox News. They are responsible for this push because of the GOP base's demonstrated willingness to shovel wealth in their direction in return for pandering to social and fiscal conservative ideals.

edited 7th Nov '12 2:32:10 PM by Fighteer

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#38658: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:33:43 PM

Would it be a good idea to repurpose and rename this thread as "2012 in American politics"? Then we could lock this in early January and replace it with "2013 in American politics".

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38659: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:34:49 PM

Republicans have to convince people that Obama is a liberal (as according to their insulting definition of it) for them to generally agree to that point to move things further right. And, with the youth vote apparently increasing with every election, at least at the presidential ones, that seems unlikely.

I mean. There's only so far that appealing to the social conservatives can take you, and I think we're reaching the end of that point. What with gay marriage being voted in, a constitutional amendment on it being defeated, and Democrats in general being voted in. I think that speaks more about where people think the center and the left are right now than anything the Republicans are going to try to do.

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#38660: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:35:07 PM

@Best Of: I'd like to continue the "U.S. Politics" theme. Maybe make that the rename so the thread can have continuity.

@Ace of Spades: My concern is the continuing Republican efforts to defund education and enact laws designed to keep Democratic voters away from the polls. That is going to only get worse as their demographics erode.

edited 7th Nov '12 2:36:49 PM by Fighteer

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#38661: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:35:18 PM

@Best Of: I would like to keep the civil parts of this thread's culture somewhere. If it works from a moderation/policy enforcement viewpoint I can't address now.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38662: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:37:28 PM

I also vote in favor of keeping this thread and just changing it's name to "American Politics" or something.

edited 7th Nov '12 2:37:36 PM by Kostya

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38663: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:40:43 PM

@Fighteer: And in response to those attempts at voter blocking, more people simply showed up and stayed the fuck in line so they could vote. It's like the immovable object meeting the unstoppable force. And the unstoppable force appears to have won this around.

And believe me, I live in Texas. I know about defunding measures for education.

[up]I'd be for starting a new thread in 2013. This one has gotten rather unweildly and we should probably keep such topics recent for relevancy.

edited 7th Nov '12 2:41:38 PM by AceofSpades

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#38664: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:40:45 PM

Didn't we already get an executive decision from the top saying this thread is going to be locked in a little bit?

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#38665: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:42:20 PM

I've given the thread a new name, though I'm not at all sure that this name will last for long. It's usually not a good idea to have a very broad topic.

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#38666: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:45:05 PM

Feh, we have threads for Canadian, British and even Finnish politics, why not for the US?

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#38667: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:46:34 PM

Jhimmibhob, the reason why the Republicans need to change now is to prevent themselves from becoming irrelevant like the Whigs. This election proved that they have to change their platform to actually appeal to young, poor, minority, and female voters if they want to stay relevant in the future. If you remember, the Whigs died because they could not handle the then-major issue of slavery any better than the Democrats could, so they collapsed in favor of the Republicans, a true anti-slavery party.

If the Republicans collapse, then either the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or the Constitution Party will replace them. Considering the main problem is appealing to young, poor, minority, and female voters, I don't see the far right Constitution Party replacing the Republicans. Both the Libertarians and the Greens are to the left of the Republicans, so either party replacing the Republicans would be a shift towards the left with the difference being how far.

It is in the best interests for the Republicans to move slightly to the left so that they can appeal to these voters and remain relevant as a political party. They can still be their conservative selves in other aspects.

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#38668: Nov 7th 2012 at 2:56:59 PM

So, Karl Rove got really pissy over Fox News calling Ohio for Obama.

it was decided that Kelly would walk through the office and interview the decision team in the conference room. “This is Fox News,” an insider said, “so anytime there’s a chance to show off Megyn Kelly’s legs they’ll go for it.”

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#38669: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:07:46 PM

Yessss Wendy Davis won here by like two percent. Yessssss.

Yeah, sorry, she's pretty local to me (Ft Worth Representative in the state Senate/House, forget which.) She's massively pro education, given the positive effect local community college had on her ability to get where she is. Probably doesn't hurt that her ads pointed out that her opponent was one of the few to vote AGAINST the police department testing rape kits, basically preventing the police from doing their job. She's also the democratic candidate in a heavily republican district, so a victory by two percent is saying something.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#38670: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:13:29 PM

[up][up] [lol] Hey, don't knock Megyn Kelly's legs, she's got great legs. Might even start watching FOX news on mute just to see them.

edited 7th Nov '12 3:14:03 PM by nightwyrm_zero

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38671: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:19:14 PM

Gee that's not sexist at all.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#38672: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:22:00 PM

Personally, I think that, if the Republican Party were to collapse, the libertarian people in the Republican Party would join the Libertarian Party, as would some of the more fiscally conservative people in the Democratic Party. The classically conservative people in the Republican Party would go to the Democratic Party, and the liberals would go to the Green Party, effectively creating a three party system.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#38673: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:25:04 PM

[up]

And the Neoconservatives and the Religious Right?

edited 7th Nov '12 3:25:19 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#38674: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:30:41 PM

They're fucked, since most Americans don't really like their policies.

edited 7th Nov '12 3:30:50 PM by Ekuran

MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#38675: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:32:00 PM

[up][up] THEY WOULD SECEDE.

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[up][up][up][up] I honestly don't see what's so sexist about admiring a woman's legs...?

edited 7th Nov '12 3:32:38 PM by MidnightRambler

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