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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#36826: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:47:36 PM

And they won't get a single fucking electoral vote.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#36827: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:48:13 PM

[up][up]

Yes. They do.

They also dont have the sheer electoral support, and even if EVERYONE voted for the parties they actuallky believed in, we'd simply be splitting the vote 6 ways and the ones with the most airtime would still likely get top honors.

Just because a Jill Stein victory is theoretically possible does not change the fact that with a winner take all electoral college and a decided republican majority, a vote for jill stein in missouri is a vote for Mitt Romney.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:48:20 PM by Midgetsnowman

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#36828: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:50:04 PM

What do you expect a 3rd party to do once they're in office? They are not the automatic cure. I'd much rather if Obama had a bunch of Green congressmen leading him around instead of Jill Stein being lead around by Democrats.
This. Had Stein been elected in 2008 to deal with the last two Congresses, today you'd have a lot of disappointed Green voters expecting the inevitable landslide rejection of the first and last Green president in American history. If Obama had been elected alongside Green supermajorities in the House in Senate back in 2008, today Gitmo would be closed along with half if not all of our foreign bases, a public option would have been implemented, gay marriage and marijuana use would be legal by federal mandate, and our navy would be down to one carrier tops.

Let's be realistic about what the president actually does, and what the optimal options for the executive branch are given any specific scenario.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36829: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:51:37 PM

Oh, Missouri. I hear Akin's toast there. Is that true?

edited 5th Nov '12 2:52:51 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#36831: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:25:45 PM

The problem here seems to be that Serocco expects miracles to happen. Change happens slowly, our system was pretty much designed that way. Also, just because you get your miracle candidate into office doesn't mean they can do everything right away, because there's several other hundred people they're having to deal with.

It's called CHECKS AND BALANCES. The cornerstone of our current system, meant to prevent the president from gaining too much power, and to do the same to the Congress. Which means that no matter who gets the office, they're still going to be competing with these other guys over what gets done.

And frankly? Obama really does give a fuck about what happens to us. He's been good on LGBT issues, he's been good on issues regarding Native Americans, he continued to push the ACA even if he had compromise on it, and he's holding to the promise to pull our troops out of Afghanistan on the like. The first thing he did was sign the Lily Ledbetter Act into law. Hell, he even repealed DADT, which is a big deal here. And frankly, I'm from Texas and sick of Republican bullshit. So yes, I'm voting Democrats. They're the ones that are in these two groups: 1) Those that give a damn about what happens to people, and 2) Those with a realistic chance of winning.

I'll consider voting for Greens when they get the kind of support that's necessary to prop up their power. (Hell, I doubt there are any Green affiliated politicians in this state right now.)

I don't expect miracles. I'm just going to vote for the guy who I think actually cares about what happens to me and to other people. And you, Serocco, can vote for whoever you want. Just keep in mind that even the super great people you mentioned would be entirely unable to achieve everything they wanted just because they won the presidency. It's just not realistic. And we need some realism in politics.

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#36832: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:26:44 PM

So, CNN seems to think that the Electoral map is split, and even suggests that a 269 non-majority scenario is a possibility.

What would likely happen if neither candidate got 270 votes? More flopping and twitching until December 17th?

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36833: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:29:39 PM

I never liked Obama to begin with. I saw his voting record, and as soon as I found out that he voted "present" on Yay or Nay votes... well, that was the big clue about how I figured he'd turn out as a president.

[up] House elects President. Senate elects Vice.

edited 5th Nov '12 3:30:26 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36834: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:31:00 PM

And how do you figure Romney will turn out?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#36835: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:32:23 PM

That's called CNN trying to get more viewers by running what if stories as actually probable.

edited 5th Nov '12 3:32:29 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#36836: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:33:23 PM

SO you're just going to ignore the good he has done? That he's trying? Fantastic!

[up][up][up][up]Yeah, that's not going to happen. Not with our two party system. And if it did I think the whole system would collapse into uncomfortable spasms. Do we even have something in place to deal with that? Like... we all have to vote again or something?

edited 5th Nov '12 3:34:25 PM by AceofSpades

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36837: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:36:21 PM

[up][up][up] The same as his own record has presented itself. There's a reason he only survived one term at Massachusetts.

[up] Nothing other than that is available at the possibility of a tie.

edited 5th Nov '12 3:37:09 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36838: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:36:23 PM

Anyways!


You see all those stupid political ads everywhere? Such as the one to the left of my add post screen right now, from Independence Virginia PAC, claiming that Tim Kaine cut $120 million in "education funding to northern VA"?

Well, you can take those silly PAC names and then type them into a site like the Sunlight Foundation. For example, for this group: http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/outside-spending/committee/independence-virginia-pac/C00515155/

Negative: 100% Opposes Democrats: $4,921,411.50 Opposes Republicans: $0.00
Positive: 0% Supports Democrats: $0.00 Supports Republicans: $0.00

2012-11-02 INDEPENDENCE VIRGINIA PAC KAINE, TIMOTHY MICHAEL (D) Oppose $700,000.00 VA Broadcast and radio advertising.
2012-11-02 INDEPENDENCE VIRGINIA PAC KAINE, TIMOTHY MICHAEL (D) Oppose $300,000.00 VA Online/Digital advertising.

etc. etc. etc.; all it does is oppose Tim Kaine

2012-10-12 $1,500,000.00 Adelson, Sheldon Las Vegas Sands Corporation Las Vegas NV
2012-07-26 $250,000.00 Perry, Bob Self-Employed Houston TX
2012-08-22 $250,000.00 Perry, Bob Self-Employed Houston TX
2012-09-05 $250,000.00 Perry, Bob Self-Employed Houston TX
2012-09-14 $250,000.00 Perry, Bob Self-Employed Houston TX
2012-08-29 $25,000.00 Fazakerley, Gregory Self-Employed The Plains VA
2012-08-06 $25,000.00 Schar, Dwight Self-Employed West Palm Beach FL
2012-10-02 $25,000.00 Gilliam, Richard Cumberland Development Keswick VA
2012-08-01 $10,000.00 Friess, Foster Self-Employed Jackson WY

Looks like this is a playpen for jerks. It's those jerks Sheldon Adelson (best known for being Gingrich's sugar daddy), Bob Perry (best known for the infamous "Swift Boat ads"), and Foster Freiss (best known for being Santorum's sugar daddy, if I recall correctly).

Also, note that of these top funders, only one of them is in Virginia. It's like their money is carpetbagging.

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#36839: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:37:38 PM

Hee hee - which one would be worse: Obama/Ryan or Rommney/Biden...?

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#36840: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:38:19 PM

I personally support Kaine, instead of our current governor/asshat Bob Mc Donnell.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36841: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:38:56 PM

Hey, cute! You're in Virginia too? Wherein?

And you're voting tomorrow, right?

edited 5th Nov '12 3:39:35 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#36842: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:40:25 PM

You can call me Cute, gahaha. I actually prefer that. Anyways, I am from the Hampton Roads area, specifically Portsmouth. What about you?

I can't vote, I miss the voting age limit by four months. :/ I turn 18 next Valentines Day.

edited 5th Nov '12 3:40:53 PM by cutewithoutthe

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#36843: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:41:24 PM

I was in Williansburg for a trip a few weeks ago. Nice area, if a bit nippy (the tropical weather has thinned my blood a lot).

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36844: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:42:58 PM

Did anyone here vote, actually?

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#36845: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:43:59 PM

The Fine Bros put up an extra-long Teens/Elders React video about the election. It's worth watching.

@Serocco: I vote tomorrow. Pennsylvania doesn't have early voting, although I suppose I could have requested an absentee ballot. But I didn't.

edited 5th Nov '12 3:44:45 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36846: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:53:21 PM

[up][up] I'm too young.

Romney: We're "one day away" from victory

Hee hee - which one would be worse: Obama/Ryan or Rommney/Biden...?

I don't know, but I want a Romney/Biden sitcom based around this premise.

edited 5th Nov '12 3:56:21 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#36847: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:53:49 PM

[up] He can keep believing that all he wants.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36848: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:55:12 PM

Romney's arrogance reminds me of Gingrich.

"AMMA BE DAH NOM-A-NEEEE!!!"

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#36849: Nov 5th 2012 at 3:55:50 PM

I turn 18 in January. I'm too young to vote.

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36850: Nov 5th 2012 at 4:00:16 PM

Bill Clinton robocalls blast California's Proposition 32

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016

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