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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36776: Nov 5th 2012 at 1:50:19 PM

In any case, I find the issue of climate change to be more salient to me, and I echo NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg's endorsement of Obama on this issue:

In making his endorsement, Mr. Bloomberg listed the various steps that Mr. Obama had taken over the last four years to confront the issue of climate change, including pushing regulations that seek to curtail emissions from cars and power plants.

Romney, in contrast, has catered to climate change deniers.

edited 5th Nov '12 1:50:38 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#36777: Nov 5th 2012 at 1:51:23 PM

@ Enkufka:

Yes. Romney would go to full out ground war.

Which, if I remember right, you think is only just as bad as drone strikes. It's much worse.

Worst Case Scenario: World War III.

Keep Rolling On
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36778: Nov 5th 2012 at 1:51:42 PM

We're murdering people as they mourn over their relatives' graves, and your only concern is what's going on in the place where you live at?

Oh, and sorry to burst your bubble, but Obama wants to cut Medicare and Medicade as well. He calls it the Grand Bargain. He said he'd "wash Bayhner's car" or "walk McConnell's dog" if it meant getting the Grand Bargain.

edited 5th Nov '12 1:53:28 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#36779: Nov 5th 2012 at 1:52:50 PM

Hell, one of Romney's campaign points is how he'll "use all of America's natural resources to their fullest extent." That is bad news.

Also, he said he would drill for oil offshore Virginia Beach. And that. That was too far, Mr. Romney. You will burn in hell for that.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36780: Nov 5th 2012 at 1:58:12 PM

We're murdering people as they mourn over their relatives' graves, and your only concern is what's going on in the place where you live at?
Pretty much. I have zero care for some shitty countrye half way across the world that's an anarchist hellhole, that gleefully houses a bunch of misogynistic theocratic lunatics, when I was directly affected by the deregulation on the banks and the lack of universal healthcare, as it cost my family our entire life savings and nearly forced us to declare bankruptcy

And if the Republicans had their way, there WOULD be no Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security period. I'm willing to sustain temporary brunting on it to appease their ravenous Randian asses.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:00:23 PM by PotatoesRock

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36781: Nov 5th 2012 at 1:59:20 PM

^ Again, Obama will cut Medicare, cut Medicade and cut taxes.

All right. Hypothetically speaking, if these drones end up massacring members of your family, would you care then. Remember, I said hypothetically speaking. That means "pretend."

edited 5th Nov '12 2:01:15 PM by Serocco

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CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#36782: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:00:44 PM

Obama is significantly better on the economy and on civil rights.

Those are the only two issues that really matter here. If you are a woman, non-white or poor, you are utterly, remorselessly and brutally fucked if Obama loses.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:00:59 PM by CaissasDeathAngel

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#36783: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:00:59 PM

@36781: As bad as Romney would? Try again.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#36784: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:01:12 PM

Obama's not exactly in control of oil demand or supply. However, he is in control of where to drill. And drilling off my goddamn beach is a no-go, sorry.

Oh... he/she edited. WELL I'LL LEAVE THIS HERE ANYWAYS

edited 5th Nov '12 2:01:52 PM by cutewithoutthe

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36785: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:02:25 PM

Civil rights means little when you're struggling from the same economic policies as everyone else has since the recession.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#36786: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:02:27 PM

[up][up][up][up]Oh for FUCKS SAKE.

AGAIN, it's a cut BECAUSE THEY'RE SAVING MONEY. NO reduction in benefits is occurring, it is because they are reducing payments to doctors and hospitals. They agreed to this.

Do you keep paying $700 a month for utilities if you installed a better light system which reduces your cost by $200 per month?

I'm sick of the zombie misrepresentation. Just saying that he's going to cut medicare without understanding why is disingenuous.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:04:03 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#36787: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:03:05 PM

Dude, horrible atrocities happen everyday out there, not just by drones. And not just by the American government, but almost every single government. Why are you so focused on the Drones? If you're gonna be pissed, be pissed at the whole picture, not just one facet of it.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#36788: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:03:58 PM

Exactly. The Government you want doesn't exist. Anywhere.

Keep Rolling On
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36789: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:04:42 PM

Cut, but not entirely erase it, or leave it to the winds of Wall Street which the Tea Party and Romney would gleefully do with joy. And as noted, most of the cuts Obama wants to Medicare and Medicaid are cut out gross waste of the system, not destroy it.

I'm going to go with the lesser evil out of political reality. If you're so stuck on idealisms, go vote for a 3rd Party Candidate.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:05:38 PM by PotatoesRock

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36790: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:05:42 PM

I'm pissed at the drones because there are reports that we'll have drones hovering over our skies, performing surveillance on us within the next few years.

As for the Grand Bargain - they'll 'cut' Medicare, in particular, by raising the retirement age. There goes several thousand that you would've earned had they not raised the retirement age. In fact, Obama, Romney AND Ryan all advocate for slashing Medicare.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:09:55 PM by Serocco

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#36791: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:08:05 PM

Medicaid is poor person healthcare. Medicare is Old person healthcare.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#36792: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:10:01 PM

[up][up]

The same can be (and probably is) done now — with manned aircraft. Drones aren't special, as the same task can be done (sometimes cheaper) using manned aircraft.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:10:44 PM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36793: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:11:53 PM

[up] Doesn't make it any less invasive.

Unless you're fine with someone throwing a bomb down your chimney for wearing a "V" mask on Halloween.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:12:35 PM by Serocco

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36794: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:12:06 PM

[up][up][up][up]The cuts are not to benefits though! They are reductions in future growth which is a big difference.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:12:16 PM by Kostya

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#36795: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:13:25 PM

[up][up]

One does not need a drone to do that. Just a computer, an internet connection, and a Warrant or two.

Keep Rolling On
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#36796: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:13:29 PM

[up][up][up]That's really paranoid.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:13:36 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#36797: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:13:31 PM

Do you actually believe that drones would be used on American soil for attacks short out of an outright insurrection or military revolt? The feds have been on edge over large scale uses of force in public since Waco went down.

[up][up]Also this. Hell anyone of us could probably pull it off with the right equipment. We'd be breaking laws but it doesn't require high end military gear.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:14:22 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#36798: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:14:04 PM

@Serocco: Strawmanning, you are. Stop spewing bullshit out of your arse, you must.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:14:27 PM by Ekuran

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#36799: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:14:54 PM

Lower tax rates for rich people — paid for by benefit cuts for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. That's the Grand Bargain in a nutshell.

[up][up] There will never be a revolution. However, that doesn't mean drones won't gun down civilians anyway. All who garner power will use it, without exception.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:17:48 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36800: Nov 5th 2012 at 2:17:33 PM

I take Politico with a lick of salt. The site leans right like Real Clear Politics. Bring me data, not scare monger political papers.

edited 5th Nov '12 2:18:27 PM by PotatoesRock


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