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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Or perhaps, maybe, just maybe, he thought he'd be able to close it because he thought, I don't know, maybe congress wouldn't block every single damn thing he tried to pass?
And he likely hasn't tried again because he knows it'll just be blocked again and again.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:04:20 PM by Enkufka
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen FryAnd without a Democratic held house and senate super majority that contains almost 0 Blue Dogs, Gitmo can't be shut down.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:10:02 PM by PotatoesRock
Serocco you seem to be one of these people that can't tell the difference between an official breaking a promise out of malice or lack of caring and an official breaking a promise out of pragmatism. They are two very different things and the latter is not automatically bad.
Obama has made a good faith effort to do a lot of things. He hasn't succeeded in many but the important thing is that he tried to do these things to the best of his ability. Now if you want to change this I suggest you work at getting him a majority in congress rather than blame him for things that were entirely out of his control.
As for NDAA it baffles me that you cannot see that he had absolutely no choice. Do you really think he'd ever get reelected if he didn't pass that? I'll answer, he wouldn't. Now you could say you don't want him to compromise if it means accepting tyrannical things and I would like a world like that but consider this. If Obama doesn't pass it that's it, he's out and he can no longer work for this nation. But if he does pass it he has a chance at reelection which gives him four more years to improve in other areas.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:18:46 PM by Kostya
Serocco, it's because of liberals like you that we get fucked over by republicans. You get angry with liberal democrats who actually have the same damn views you have when they can't pass laws you want because of conservative/republican bullshit, and then decide not to vote for them or vote for no chance third parties who don't know when to lie to the manipulated mass of people who don't know they're being fucked over by republicans.
If every single liberal like you just had some fucking patience, conservatives would be kicked out by the shitload and we wouldn't be in such a fucked up state we're in right now.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:20:40 PM by Ekuran
Serocco, you'd damn well better hope Obama wins, then, so Romney doesn't have a chance to get into office and screw things up.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:22:36 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Harvey: I was talking about the NDAA regarding indefinite detentions. Not Gitmo.
Again, his reasons for signing the NDAA bill won't man much when someone you or I know ends up imprisoned without trial or due process. Even if you believe he won't use it, didn't want to use it, or had no choice in the matter.
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.@Serocco: And, again, Obama is less likely to do that than Romney, and no Republican president would have vetoed NDAA. So you're kind of stuck with the lesser of two evils, here.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:28:40 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What proof do you have that Obama will do this? Frankly I find that notion that you're willing to let Romney win just to spite Obama for having the intelligence to stay in the game ridiculous. Even if he vetoed it like you want do you realize it would just be overridden? Then we'd be without a President that cares about people and we'd have this terrible piece of legislation on the books. I'll take one evil instead of two which is what your idea would create.
edit: True but by voting for Obama and supporting Democrats you're making it easier for them to prevent Republicans from getting into office and abusing it. Romney and the rest of the primary candidates seem to be the types that would use this compared to Clinton, Biden, or whoever succeeds Obama.
edited 5th Nov '12 1:32:38 PM by Kostya
Yes. Romney would go to full out ground war.
Which, if I remember right, you think is only just as bad as drone strikes.
It's much worse.
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
This. Being a single-issue wonk over drone strikes in Pakistan strikes me as absurdly myopic. You are literally sawing off your nose to spite your face here.
The RNC, and multiple other Romney aligned organizations have called my house at least 50 times already. I'm not exaggerating... hell, it could easily be way more than that.
It makes sense. I live with Elderly grandparents, with a grandfather who usually votes Republican, but goddamn still. How many fucking times are they going to goddamn call?!
OR SEND GODDAMN MAIL.
I just hope Virginia goes blue. Because by the look of things, Romney has taken the state back. I see Romney signs everywhere.
NO ONE EVEN WANTS HIM AS PRESIDENT. They just want Obama gone! Despite him being the best thing that's happened in a while.
America, we need reform. America, we need change.
America, grow up.
Alternatively, we need a democratic president to get some more liberal justices on the Supreme Court so that part of the NDAA can be struck down there.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

False equivalency. One Republican Congressman voting against the NDAA means nothing. A Democratic President vetoing the NDAA? That's the end of Obama and the Democratic Party, not to mention useless considering the veto would most likely be overriden.