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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#36476: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:19:36 AM

In a lot of other places a rational Conservative Party would be the Democrats — or the Republicans of Ronald Reagan's day.

edited 3rd Nov '12 7:20:05 AM by Greenmantle

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36477: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:19:40 AM

[up][up]

Its gotten to the point where I'm starting to think that the Democrats are the rational Conservative Party.

[up] NINJA'D

edited 3rd Nov '12 7:20:01 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36478: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:22:21 AM

[up][up][up]As [up][up] and[up]said, the Democrats would be the rational conservative party. They're pretty much center-right in most nations with Obama himself being outright rightwing.

What we really need is a rational left party that's electable so the center works out to be an actual center as compared to the rest of the world.

edit: Basically if the Greens represented the Libertarian Socialism aspect while the Democrats represented the Authoritarian Capitalist aspect we'd be much better off IMO. More than two main parties would be even better but I doubt that will ever happen.

edited 3rd Nov '12 7:25:01 AM by Kostya

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#36479: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:27:05 AM

[up]Baby-steps: most of your countrymen seem to have an allergy to anything that's a little too far left.

Cobble a liberal agenda with a social slant, that isn't too social? Greens as a core, with some of the other compatible groups added to round the mandate out?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36480: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:29:33 AM

Jewish Republicans Seeking Votes for Romney in U.S. and Israel

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#36481: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:31:34 AM

Who killed the American Left? Joseph McCarthy.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36482: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:33:03 AM

[up][up][up]I know. That's why I vote Democratic. They aren't ideal (I'm more of a Green myself) but I know they have no chance of getting elected and even if they did they wouldn't be able to do much unless people were more open to some of their ideas.

My thinking is that the Greens would get their big boost by having some of the more liberal Democrats endorsing them and switching to their side. While this is happening some of the less insane Republicans like Governor Christie would likely join the Democrats. I know it would take a while for the Greens to get a lot of power and momentum but as long as they win some seats and start giving people an idea of what their policies could do we'll be much better off IMO. Many independents would happily vote for them since they hate the main two and want a third option that's not corrupt. The Greens would give them that.

[up]Not him solely but you're right. The Red Scare, while valid at first, did a lot of damage to this nation.

edited 3rd Nov '12 7:33:34 AM by Kostya

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36483: Nov 3rd 2012 at 7:38:00 AM

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I'd assign some blame to William Buckley jr., Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Ayn Rand, Roy Cohn, Robert Taft, Larry Mc Donald, The John Birch Society, the Western Goals Foundation, Religious Fundamentalism in politics, Southernization, and The Soviet Union (and Communism in general). tongue

The list is rather long.

edited 3rd Nov '12 1:29:17 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#36484: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:34:40 AM

The Republican Party no longer cares about facts!

Huffington Post: Republicans are more likely to believe in demonic possession than climate change.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36486: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:41:46 AM

I'd also blame the disgrace of Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard Nixon as well. LBJ for the Vietnam war tarring his legacy of the Great Society, and Nixon... well. Watergate.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36487: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:42:12 AM

[up][up]

And most people associated with Fox News.

[up]

True.

edited 3rd Nov '12 8:42:34 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#36488: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:55:22 AM

68% of republicans 49% of democrats believe that it was possible to be possessed by demons.

What.

edited 3rd Nov '12 8:56:00 AM by ohsointocats

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36489: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:55:30 AM

Of course they believe in demonic possession. How else can they rationalize half the country voting for democrats?

[up] My post would have been funnier if I hadn't forgotten to hit send for a few minutes, thus making it before THIS post. Oiy vey.

edited 3rd Nov '12 8:56:05 AM by TheyCallMeTomu

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36490: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:56:21 AM

[up][up]

Its possible.

Just not very probable.

edited 3rd Nov '12 8:56:34 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36491: Nov 3rd 2012 at 8:57:47 AM

Let's avoid a theology derail :P

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#36492: Nov 3rd 2012 at 9:12:47 AM

Its amazing. Romney still continues to talk about the "Obama sends Jeeps to China" even though the car companies are calling bullshit.

I'm fairly certain Romney is going to win this election because he's just better at manipulating people.

edited 3rd Nov '12 9:13:14 AM by Thorn14

FalconPain Since: Feb, 2015
#36493: Nov 3rd 2012 at 9:23:20 AM

I think I'm failing to understand how a country can successfully operate over a period of time when both capitalist and socialist political parties are viable contenders.

I've already been worrisome over the past few months about signing up for Obama health care because I didn't want to get it shortly before Romney could win the election and immediately repeal it, leaving me with a health care plan that charges me heavily and refuses to cover me for certain things.

That's gotta be nothing compared to anyone who can completely change the way the country's economy works every time the other party receives power. I'm not so much confused by socialism as the idea of a country repeatedly switching to and from it.

(Imagine if US presidents were to routinely abolish the previous one's constitutional amendments. On things more significant than alcohol.)

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36494: Nov 3rd 2012 at 9:29:53 AM

My ideology: Anyone who advocates for pure capitalism or pure socialism is any idiot and should be promptly ignored.

edited 3rd Nov '12 9:30:17 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#36495: Nov 3rd 2012 at 9:32:10 AM

That's gotta be nothing compared to anyone who can completely change the way the country's economy works every time the other party receives power. I'm not so much confused by socialism as the idea of a country repeatedly switching to and from it.

You're looking at it wrong, I think. What we're doing is tugging at the reigns of industry, aka Keynesian economics. And whenever the Republicans take power, they remove the saddle and let private corporations run amok.

We've reached a point where people (and I'm including people on this very forum) believe that periodic financial crashes are natural and expected, when it's a symptom of allowing too much free reign by profit-seekers.

edited 3rd Nov '12 9:32:54 AM by johnnyfog

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36497: Nov 3rd 2012 at 10:10:30 AM

Obama is a Christian you fucking morons. Even if he wasn't I'd still vote for him. Christianity needs to be knocked down a peg or two if they're not going to play nice with everyone else.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#36498: Nov 3rd 2012 at 10:10:44 AM

Half of these ads would be considered libel in any other context...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#36499: Nov 3rd 2012 at 10:14:34 AM

I was looking around Youtube at old political ads and found this:

Its rather amazing how quick a party's position can change.

edited 3rd Nov '12 10:15:50 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36500: Nov 3rd 2012 at 10:15:30 AM

I believd the term is slander. Libel is written word while slander is spoken. I wonder what things would be like if it was illegal to run an ad that's false.


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