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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#36351: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:17:13 AM

Campaigns Brace to Sue for Votes in Crucial States

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#36352: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:42:02 AM

And, having a group of legal types in a constrained battle around your poll station is... not... a discouragement in and of itself, at all... right... tongue

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#36353: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:42:26 AM

...*reads up the post made while he was asleep* You know, calling a flood a "historic 1000-year floods" when your landmass has been mass settled by a lot less than 1000 years just looks like annoying hyperbole.

But hey, they do the same here with the "century-flood" whenever the Oder is feeling adventurous...(or at least it feels this way)

And maybe because its early and I'm still sleepy (and therefore a tad mean-minded)...do the Republicans use more non-lawyers than the Democrats because lawyers wouldn't pull some of the shit because its...you know...illegal?

edited 2nd Nov '12 12:44:15 AM by 3of4

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#36354: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:44:09 AM

[up]I think a few native tribes would like a few words. tongue Having crossed over the Berring Bridge and managed impressive, rather culturally advanced civilisations, apparently, counts for nothing. tongue

edited 2nd Nov '12 12:44:40 AM by Euodiachloris

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#36355: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:46:13 AM

I said "mass settled", not "settled" to distinguish between those native tribes and the waves of europeans, etc that came later.tongue

If you get me a native american with historic records of his tribe that the flood was the biggest in the last 1000 years I concede the term!wink

edited 2nd Nov '12 12:48:02 AM by 3of4

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#36356: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:52:01 AM

^

I think it's a general term, not a specific one — in other words, an event with an intensity that might happen even 1 in 100 or 1000 years.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#36357: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:52:25 AM

[up][up]It's not that hard to get an idea as to flood conditions in an area using the geography, geology and tree rings, you know... Some trees manage to hang about a fair while.

And, a lot of said tribes that did, in fact, have a means of recording various bits and pieces... didn't manage to keep their method of writing intact, thanks to several things. Like disease, persecution and downright eradication by said other waves of settlers. tongue

In short, mass migration to the Americas of various types and waves has been a theme on and off for about 20,000 years, give or take. And, it's sad I know this rather better than you seem to. <.<

edited 2nd Nov '12 12:54:27 AM by Euodiachloris

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#36358: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:54:34 AM

Return period: It's a statistical term, and an estimate. It doesn't have to be exact!

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36359: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:55:29 AM

American history starts with the Pilgrims. Everything before that is a great unknown other that doesn't exist. It then goes on to generally promote "Fuck yeah, American exceptional-ism".

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#36360: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:59:04 AM

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The way I learned it Jamestown was mentioned before the Pilgrims.

edited 2nd Nov '12 12:59:47 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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#36361: Nov 2nd 2012 at 12:59:12 AM

Hmm, okay. Still find the term somewhat annoying.

And Euodiachloris...mass migration is not only a thing to the americas. Its a thing the whole human race has done quite often. Replace "mass settled" with "settled in masses by the current dominant ethnicity of the region"...

edited 2nd Nov '12 1:00:08 AM by 3of4

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36362: Nov 2nd 2012 at 1:06:26 AM

The way I learned it Jamestown was mentioned before the Pilgrims.
Oh right. Jamestown. It's pretty much Roanoke, Jamestown, Plymouth Rock, and fuck all else to start with. :/

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#36363: Nov 2nd 2012 at 1:12:02 AM

[up][up]Yup... do know this. It's how Homo erectus got around, for starters. Population migration is a human trait. <shrugs> Heck, we even did it throughout Africa (well, dependant on what the Sahara was doing in any particular era).

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#36364: Nov 2nd 2012 at 2:37:24 AM

mass settled by a lot less than 1000 years just looks like annoying hyperbole.

I did notice the word "mass" in your post so I don't really have a problem with it. I don't think "mass settlement" is a phrase that gets used very often, though, and I don't know if there's a definition of it.

I looked up some figures (you know, 2 minutes in Wikipedia) and apparently the highest estimates of the population of the Americas before European settlement are around the 100 million mark.

That's approximately the population of Mexico, or half the population of Brazil, or a third of that of the US. Whether that counts as "mass settlement" when it's spread over two entire continents is a question about which I think we could have an absolutely pointless discussion.

(BTW, I don't know if 100 million is the highest figure at any point in the pre-Columbian history of the Americas, or just the population at the point that European settlement began; or maybe it's both.)

This was just an aside, a titbit for those who are interested in this kind of stuff.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36365: Nov 2nd 2012 at 4:12:03 AM

It was encouraging to see Obama mentioning climate change a few weeks ago, even if it was mere mentions, mostly in pitches to younger voters.

But Bloomberg's endorsement of Obama citing climate issues is very encouraging.

well, . yes. But thats kind of what business relies on a lot. Many corporations are so beholden to their shareholders they utterly prioritize short term gain over long term.

This might be partly a legal problem. I think that there is some law that states that corporations are obligated to maximize profits for their shareholders, or something like that. I remember reading that some companies (Ben & Jerry among them?) have had trouble doing things like selling to a lower but more ethical bidder, for this reason.

I get the point of the law—it was probably made to prevent corrupt executives from embezzling everything—but it seems it needs tweaking.

Note I said "tweaking". When a law doesn't work, the first thing to do is to ask why it exists, and how to keep its good parts while fixing the bad parts. NOT to throw the baby out with the bathwater. So shut up, "repeal Obamacare" folks.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#36366: Nov 2nd 2012 at 4:15:18 AM

Ryan Brands Himself ‘Gen X’ While Pitching Medicare

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#36367: Nov 2nd 2012 at 6:43:52 AM

do the Republicans use more non-lawyers than the Democrats because lawyers wouldn't pull some of the shit because its...you know...illegal?

lawyers

refusing to do illegal things

Hahahano. If I needed someone I could trust with illegal business, the lawyer section of the phone book would be the first place I'd look.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#36368: Nov 2nd 2012 at 6:47:45 AM

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See. I dont believe in the "lawyers are evil" stereotype myself.

#36369: Nov 2nd 2012 at 6:55:17 AM

[up] Not all lawyers are evil, but there's certainly no shortage of lawyers willing to work under creative ethical systems.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#36370: Nov 2nd 2012 at 7:00:25 AM

Of course there's no shortage of lawyers to do that. If we didn't, everyone accused who by popular opinion should hang would hang because these people would be unable to adequately defend themselves.

#36371: Nov 2nd 2012 at 7:03:36 AM

Of course. Lawyers are the scum of society, but they are necessary scum in our kind of society.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#36372: Nov 2nd 2012 at 7:13:24 AM

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Not really. if anyone is the scum of our society, its the business world.

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#36374: Nov 2nd 2012 at 7:46:03 AM

[up][up] The business world is everyone who isn't on welfare, retirement, or living in their parents' basement.

I suspect we can find common ground on corporate lawyers, though.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#36375: Nov 2nd 2012 at 7:51:00 AM

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when I say busi9ness world. I refer to anyone who owns and operates a business. Because in my experience, the vast majority of them care far more about raw profit than humanity.

corporate ;lawyers are a symptom more than anything. Sure, they sometimes do unethical things. But only because the businesses that employ them ask them to, making them just as if not more complicit.

edited 2nd Nov '12 7:59:16 AM by Midgetsnowman


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