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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36151: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:00:09 PM

  1. Obama/Democrats/liberals are out to destroy the country and its moral fiber and its values and everything, so even a greedy bastard like Romney is better than someone who's actively malicious.
  2. Besides, are you sure those aren't false accusations created by the liberal media to help keep Obama in office?

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#36152: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:02:26 PM

Yeah, right. And there really were WMDs in Baghdad, Cheney wouldn't lie like that.

I'm a skeptical squirrel
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36153: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:04:55 PM

No, you don't get it.

It's not about your own side lying.

Your own side is trustworthy. Even if they lie sometimes, you know it's always for the best.

But the other side...oh, they're out to fucking wreck the place. Don't ever trust them, even when they seem to be doing the right thing.

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#36154: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:13:54 PM

I can kinda believe that people would like George H.W. Bush. At least, more than I could believe anyone can really even stand Romney. I guess that's just my ever-lowering standards for Republicans at work.

If enough time were to pass by, we could have a Republican president that devours the corpses of children on live TV and all I'd be able to say is "I guess Karl Rove seems like a decent guy now."

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#36155: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:16:50 PM

How widespread is it to vote for the party and not the individual?

There can't be so much partisans that forget to use their "head" thing and just decide to vote Red or Blue.

Right?

Right?

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#36156: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:18:16 PM

I could never think in those terms. You have your usual opportunists who are only interested in being party boss, like Rove.

But unlike most party bosses in history, Rove is single-minded in his pursuit to stamp out democracy. He's Aristotle, dreaming of grooming the next Alexander. If we ever end up with a baby eating madman in office, it'll be people like Rove who paved the road.

edited 31st Oct '12 2:19:53 PM by johnnyfog

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#36157: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:20:01 PM

Because he supports something that the voter supports, such as pro-life or anti-gun control.

Except he's actually significantly more pro-gun control than Obama.

Your own side is trustworthy. Even if they lie sometimes, you know it's always for the best.

Considering what happened on this very thread some five or six pages back, I think everyone needs to remember that this mindset is not in any way limited to Republicans.

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vanthebaron Mystical Monkey Master from Carlyle, Il Since: Sep, 2010
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36159: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:20:22 PM

They're people going further and further to defend an illusion about what the world is like. An illusion that is growing increasingly farther from reality.

The world of naturally plentiful resources and opportunities and where hard work, a bit of savviness, and some technology can solve all our problems, is gradually disappearing. We live in a world where we have decreasing control of our own individual fates, socially, economically, and environmentally; as a result, getting along and working together is increasingly important, but some people are desperately trying to hang onto the hope that the world isn't coming to this.

Except he's actually significantly more pro-gun control than Obama.

Once again, that doesn't matter. When your side does things that seem contradictory, it's always for the best, and it's just something they have to do at the moment. The other side is always out to get you, no exceptions. Anything nice they seem to do is either (1) a head-fake or (2) them being beaten into submission by you and your allies. If left unchecked, the other side can and will destroy your world and everything you hold dear. They will be teaching perverse sexuality to your children, taking away your right to buy larger cars, and forcing you sit by while unborn babies die. They will destroy your country's legal basis and cultural traditions. They will force you to pay everything except your firstborn children in taxes.

edited 31st Oct '12 2:25:22 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#36160: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:24:19 PM

Soooo, seeing as though I'm not up to date with politics, why is there such negative buzz surrounding Romney exactly?

And please tell me that it isn't because of George Bush or gay rights.

LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
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#36161: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:26:07 PM

[up] Word got out that Romney once said he wanted to get rid of FEMA. And since Hurricane Sandy just hit the Northeast...

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
vanthebaron Mystical Monkey Master from Carlyle, Il Since: Sep, 2010
Mystical Monkey Master
#36162: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:26:15 PM

He constantly says shit the only entitled rich white bastards can agree with.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36163: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:28:56 PM

His campaign is centered on a pack of lies. Not just "He's a politician ergo he lies" but rather "the very first and very last political ads of the campaign season are all blatantly outrightly false."

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36164: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:32:58 PM

Romney is also more a flip flop than even fucking Kerrey. He'll take whatever position is LITERALLY convenient for that exact moment, and switch when it becomes inconvenient. He's a hack of the highest caliber.

That and the fact that pretty much all his real positions amount of "shrink government, fuck the poor, baby and coddle the rich, and Social fucking Darwinism for anyone who isn't a rich old white guy."

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#36165: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:34:57 PM

Why there is a backlash against Romney:

  1. He has built his entire campaign on lies.
  2. He has no fixed positions on anything except for a few key issues, such as gay rights and austerity.
  3. He is a political opportunist that has used anything he can to increase his power, such as the deaths in Benghazi, even when the people involved doesn't want him to.
  4. He is and has a history of being a bully.
  5. He is an entitled white rich person.
  6. He is probably going to promote regressive taxation.
  7. He is completely against gay rights.

Did I miss anything?

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36166: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:35:40 PM

If elected, he'll follow his own instincts and attempt to run the country like a business. This means:

  • if things aren't working very well and taking too much money, gut them
  • reward those who do well for your business administration

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#36167: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:42:29 PM

Also, Romney pretty much reads like a worse Herbert Hoover. I honestly do expect him to lead the world into the 2nd Great Depression outright. >_>

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#36168: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:43:49 PM

Rep. Steve King (R-IA-04) on disaster relief Gucci bags:

"I want to get them the resources that are necessary to lift them out of this water and the sand and the ashes and the death that's over there in the East Coast and especially in the Northeast," King said during a Tuesday evening debate in Mason City, Iowa.

"But not one big shot to just open up the checkbook, because they spent it on Gucci bags and massage parlors and everything you can think of in addition to what was necessary," he said later, referring to Hurricane Katrina.

...

Anyway, his opponent is Christie Vilsack, a literacy advocate and former first lady of Iowa (wife of former governor Tom Vilsack).

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#36169: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:44:14 PM

@ deathpigeon:

He is an entitled white rich person.

I'm not sure what you want? A Deaf, Dumb Black Kid*

?

edited 31st Oct '12 2:44:28 PM by Greenmantle

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#36170: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:44:43 PM

Just curious, what will all you guys do if Romney does win and the world doesn't end?

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#36171: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:48:05 PM

[up] Be trying to get citizenship in Canada? tongue

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36172: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:49:08 PM

Grizzly: Depends on what happens during Romney's turn, and whether or not it signals that blatant lying is the new fashionable political tactic.

I'll respond accordingly.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#36173: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:49:58 PM

[up][up][up][up] Someone who isn't entitled.

[up][up][up] I'm not going to do anything. I don't think the world will end with a Romney presidency. I'll just spend the next four years promoting the people I want to win in the next election, which I will do with an Obama presidency. In fact, I won't do much differently if Romney wins than if Obama wins.

RTaco Since: Jul, 2009
#36174: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:50:39 PM

I'll be forced to deal with it, while simmering with rage that such a dishonest campaiugn can get someone elected.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#36175: Oct 31st 2012 at 2:50:45 PM

As for all these comments on Romney, are you guys sure that what was said about him is true, or is this all jut based off comments found on the internet?


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