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#360526: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:14:47 PM

Or they're so stupid to remove Biden without realizing Harris becomes President and then start kicking themselves.

Of course this is a page topper.

Edited by Scarecrow4774 on Mar 30th 2021 at 4:15:30 AM

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#360527: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:21:19 PM

Kind of sounds like the risk of removing Trump and getting Pence as president. I know back then the concern was Pence would have been more competent and discrete in getting Republican goals done better than Trump.

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#360528: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:24:16 PM

Which always struck me as absurd, a VP inheriting the presidency because the president they got elected alongside has been removed for corruption is one without political capital.

The fear of Pence being more competent was always absurd, Trump didn’t run the entire government himself, Pence had already gotten domestic policy delegated to him anyway.

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#360529: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:28:34 PM

[up]Seriously, and it's not like Pence is some mastermind. His time as a governor showed him to be rather incompetent, I get that compared to the buffoon that is Trump he looked somewhat better (in terms of quality, not morality) but that's an absurd way to determine competence.

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#360530: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:39:32 PM

I thought Perot was basically a libertarian?

Perot, in my opinion, was essentially the last Candidate to try to follow the FDR/Kennedy system; he wanted to end the international trade agreements and job outsourcings that were leading up to NAFTA, balance the federal budget by any means necessary, increase electronic voting systems, and he even was in favor of creating some minor forms of Gun Control and allowing openly Homosexual men and women to serve in the Military (in the 90's, this was sadly considered a gaffe). He also wanted to get more serious about the War on Drugs, which would definitely be his weakest point from what I've seen.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Mar 30th 2021 at 4:40:20 AM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#360531: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:45:23 PM

I’m trying to understand how “FDR” and “balance the federal budget by any means necessary” can go together, and I’m just not managing it.

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#360532: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:47:55 PM

Yeah, I’m also not seeing how electronic voting systems come into it. Hell, considering all the problems electronic voting systems have caused over the years, I’m a big fan of the pencil and paper method.

Also, FDR and the Democrats after him were pretty big on free trade, what with how it enabled the US to sell tons of stuff to Europe after WW 2.

Edited by Silasw on Mar 30th 2021 at 9:48:55 AM

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#360533: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:54:48 PM

So are we ever going to hear anything more conclusive about that Mueller report? Is this going to be a 50 years thing?

My understanding is that there's nothing more to hear, basically. The issue is that Mueller didn't actually investigate the stuff people actually cared about (ie, Trump's ties with Russia) because of the aforementioned "DOJ policy is to not investigate sitting presidents for criminal behavior because DOJ policy says that sitting presidents can't be criminally charged" thing. He just sort of nibbled around the edges because he decided that's all he was allowed to do.

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#360534: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:55:01 PM

I’m trying to understand how “FDR” and “balance the federal budget by any means necessary” can go together, and I’m just not managing it.

To be fair, FDR did try to balance the budget. Which... wiped out the gains gotten by the New Deal. So you could say he's FDR like in that he is the bad without any of the actual "massively expanded welfare state" good :V

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#360535: Mar 30th 2021 at 2:16:29 PM

The Mueller Report was ultimately a huge L for the Democrats, which is largely the fault of the media. Two years' worth of Speculative News hyped it up as a much bigger deal than it actually was - to the ire of even Bob Mueller himself.

By the time the thing actually came out, people were expecting mass arrests of basically the entire Executive branch and all members of the Trump family. Because that's what the Speculative News kept saying was coming any day now. And when that didn't happen, everyone just wrote it off as "I guess they found nothing, then."

What our media did to us during the Mueller Investigation isn't really so far off from what Q Anon did to the Right. Speculative news is a plague on this country. Because capitalism.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 30th 2021 at 2:20:26 AM

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#360536: Mar 30th 2021 at 2:32:15 PM

Heh, remember the times when people this thread (gulity as charged by the way) thought the Muller report would defeat Trump somehow? Good times..

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 30th 2021 at 9:35:09 AM

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#360538: Mar 30th 2021 at 2:44:50 PM

I wasn't expecting that much, but I did expect it to be more trouble for Trump than it ended up being.

We'll probably keep hearing more things about his presidency over the years, though, just as with other former presidents.

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#360539: Mar 30th 2021 at 2:51:13 PM

I don't know why it ever would have been trouble for Trump, the people who voted for him knew exactly what they were voting for before November 2016.... they just didn't care.

Thats a common problem here, to assume that the Trump voters have more dignity then they do.... they didn't vote for him "inspite of these issues" those issues are WHY they voted for him, they wanted a racist asshole with all those problems.

The muller report only ever would have matered to democrats even if it had been as damning as people assumed.

See literaly inciting an insurection with people there to hang them, the republicians still didn't care.

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#360540: Mar 30th 2021 at 2:56:11 PM

Hey personally I am still in the camp that he will walk unscathed from all this. And that the next time will be even worse.

Imagine someone that follows after Trump but is actually not a clown. That's terrifying, and that's what earns the votes to the GOP

Edited by Aszur on Mar 30th 2021 at 3:56:59 AM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#360541: Mar 30th 2021 at 2:57:20 PM

I wonder if the rumors of Matt Gaetz joining Newsmax has anything to do with this: NYT: Matt Gaetz Is Said to Be Investigated Over Possible Sexual Relationship With a Girl, 17

Representative Matt Gaetz, Republican of Florida and a close ally of former President Donald J. Trump, is being investigated by the Justice Department over whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paid for her to travel with him, according to three people briefed on the matter. —— The three people said that the examination of Mr. Gaetz, 38, is part of a broader investigation into a political ally of his, a local official in Florida named Joel Greenberg, who was indicted last summer on an array of charges, including sex trafficking of a child and financially supporting people in exchange for sex, at least one of whom was an underage girl.

No charges have been brought against Mr. Gaetz, and the extent of his criminal exposure is unclear.

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#360542: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:04:20 PM

Well, back then people still thought Mueller's report posed an actual danger to Trump. Heck, Trump believed it would be a danger to his presidency. Hence all his foolhardy attempts to shut the thing down, which in the end ended up being worse than the actual report.

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#360543: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:08:33 PM

Imagine someone that follows after Trump but is actually not a clown. That's terrifying, and that's what earns the votes to the GOP

You’re wrong there. Being a clown is what got Trump the support of the GOP base. It’s what enabled him to get so far politically and retain such a strong base of support despite everything.

Pence and Mitch are the non-clown versions of Trump, neither of them has the personality required to take control of the GOP and inspire the voters that Trump inspired.

Trump didn’t get as far as he did in spite of being a total idiot, he got as far as he did because he’s a total idiot. Being w total idiot is a big vote winner in the US.

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#360544: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:09:56 PM

In a normal country, the Mueller probe would have been damaging to ex-45's presidency.

But this is not a normal country, so it didn't.

Imca (Veteran)
#360545: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:13:33 PM

It's a pretty big vote winner in most western democracies...

It's why Boris Johnson pretends to be stupider then he is.

Voters find it relatable.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#360546: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:14:02 PM

That remind me, Hacks on Tap had a Republican on and he explained back in the 2016 primaries there was opposition research into Trump by one of the other candidates. They did a lot of questioning of other Republican voters and something that came up constantly was that their voters liked Trump because he was a successful businessman. They already knew that even before he started running because they saw him on the Apprentice.

Trump's followers had been primed to support him well before he became a candidate thanks to their TV habits.

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#360547: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:15:50 PM

And of course Trump is a terrible businessman but his carefully cultivated TV image hid that fact.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#360548: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:21:24 PM

[up][up][up] As John Oliver once pointed out, Johnson is actually a pretty insidious case because he's both an idiot and playing one, making it impossible to determine which of his fuck-ups are due to actual idiocy.

And he still seems smarter than Trump.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 30th 2021 at 12:22:25 PM

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#360549: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:22:15 PM

[up][up]Which really highlights the irony that it's his presidency that shattered his successful persona.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#360550: Mar 30th 2021 at 3:25:22 PM

Did it? To the people who bought in the first place, that is.


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