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#360501: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:08:09 AM

Donald Trump uses new website to rewrite history of his presidency

The centrepiece of the site is an 885-word history of the Trump presidency, listing the achievements of what it describes as "the most extraordinary political movement in history".

In a hyperbolic opening paragraph, it says he dethroned political dynasties, defeated "the Washington establishment" and "overcame virtually every entrenched power structure".

The history does, however, omit several significant moments from Trump's presidency.

On the economy, the site says: "President Trump ushered in a period of unprecedented economic growth, job creation, soaring wages, and booming incomes." Trump frequently described his administration as building "the greatest economy in the history of our country", a claim repeatedly debunked. It also fails to note that during the pandemic last year the US economy suffered one of its worst financial crashes.

Not even Sacha Baron Cohen in The Dictator could have made up this stuff.

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#360502: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:11:40 AM

I think that was a story on Lowering The Bar, yeah.

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#360503: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:15:15 AM

The "drug dealer reports stolen drugs" thing has happened multiple times, enough to become a meme.

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#360504: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:17:35 AM

Sometimes you're just too high on drugs not to call the police on your own drug-related crimes.

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#360505: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:19:25 AM

I seriously wish Donald and his team (especially Jason Miller) would stop talking about himself as if he were the current president. But they won't, probably because they think "Sleepy Joe" is illegitimate.

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#360506: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:27:04 AM

That's been a thing as far back as Bill Clinton, who "stole" the rightful presidency from George H.W. Bush.

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#360507: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:51:30 AM

I’m guessing that if a Republican had become president with 43% of the vote the Democrats would have been a tad salty over it too.

But all their anger seems to be focused on the Democrats. I haven’t noticed the same detestation of Republicans for Ross Perot that Democrats have for the Green Party, even though his “spoiler” role was much larger.

Edited by Galadriel on Mar 30th 2021 at 2:52:22 PM

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#360508: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:53:05 AM

[up][up][up][up] This is why the general rule for drug dealers tends to be "don't use your own product".

Edited by Redmess on Mar 30th 2021 at 8:53:23 PM

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#360509: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:53:34 AM

Never get high off your own supply, as they say.

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#360510: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:20:44 PM

[up][up][up]Democrats didn't call ex-45 illegitimate when he won with a minority of votes. They called out the voting system itself as unfair, but they didn't claim he wasn't really president. That's the main difference. Democrats (or left-wingers, at least) want to change the system that elects president unfairly, Republicans want to keep the system unfair in their favor.

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#360511: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:21:04 PM

Perot drew votes away from both Bush and Clinton, it wasn’t a situation where he split things for one side specifically.

Edited by Silasw on Mar 30th 2021 at 8:21:27 PM

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#360512: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:28:30 PM

That's what studies have shown since, but I wonder if that's how it was perceived at the time.

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#360513: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:34:49 PM

I thought Perot was basically a libertarian?

And yes, that’s a legitimate distinction between “the electoral system is bad, resulting in this person being the president *sigh*” and “this person isn’t actually the president”.

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#360514: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:35:48 PM

In 2000 and 2016, the popular vote and the electoral college vote were opposed. In both of those cases a Republican won the Presidential election and in both cases the current Democratic administration handed over power willingly and peacefully. Obviously there were complaints that the results were undemocratic, but at no point was there a systematic declaration that Bush or Trump was "illegitimate" and not entitled to hold the office.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 30th 2021 at 3:36:26 PM

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#360515: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:43:31 PM

The Libertarian party has a history of drawing protest votes from both Republicans and Democrats. Part of why Biden won in 2020 was that he won back the former Obama voters who voted Libertarian in 2016 due to disliking Hillary.

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#360516: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:47:40 PM

There were claims that Trump was unqualified to hold office, mind you. Because he was. And some Democrats did try to convince Electors to vote unfaithfully in order to get Clinton into office; I remember one Republican Elector from Texas wrote a scathing rebuke of those efforts.

Additionally, Democrats were aware of Russian election interference since before the actual election, and proclamations of Trump as a Russian puppet were going about from the moment he won office. So it is true that Democrats have been trying to get Trump out of office since before he even technically set foot in the building. Through 2017 and 2018, many on the Left watched the Mueller Investigation (or, more specifically, the 98% Speculative News about the Mueller Investigation) with bated breath. Would this be the day the FBI removes Trump from the Oval Office in handcuffs?

There is a fair argument to say that the Left was every bit as hyper-critical of Trump as the Right currently is of Biden. But. The difference is that Trump actually was unqualified to hold office, actually did collaborate with Russia, and actively committed various crimes before and during his time in office.

Bob hates Alice's dog and says nothing but mean things about it all the time. Alice does the same about Bob's dog. These are the same actions. Bob's dog is mean and bites children and jumps the fence to go shit in Alice's lawn every day. Alice's dog is an unpopular breed. Are these still the same actions?

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#360517: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:52:13 PM

Alas, but Trump got exonerated ultimately by the report.

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#360518: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:54:48 PM

No, he didn't. He was exonerated in the court of public opinion by notorious Trump crony Bill Barr pre-empting the public release of the report to release his own distorted opinion on it.

The actual Mueller Report clearly states that they could not, within the scope of the investigation, perform a criminal investigation into a sitting President but they can say that based on their findings, it would be impossible to exonerate Trump.

Due to Department of Justice policy, the Report cannot say that Trump did it. But they can say in full confidence that he didn't not do it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 30th 2021 at 12:55:50 PM

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#360519: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:55:56 PM

The report basically stated that if it was anyone but the president, they would have gotten arrested.

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#360520: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:56:08 PM

He wasn't exonerated per se. IIRC, Muller clearly stated that Trump could be prosecuted for crimes, but Muller couldn't prosecute because Trump was president. And Republicans in Congress did nothing about it.

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by Scarecrow4774 on Mar 30th 2021 at 3:56:23 PM

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#360521: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:56:24 PM

Yeah the report said “we did not investigate president Trump, because if we had and we’d found him to be a crook then Do J policy would have prevented us arresting him”.

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#360522: Mar 30th 2021 at 12:56:53 PM

Not to mention that a lack of certain guilt is not an exoneration, there's a lot of suspicious behavior around Trump and Russia.

Just because the evidence doesn't confirm a direct relationship doesn't make it any less inappropriate and quesitonable.

Edit: I was [nja]nd by a person who was in turn [nja]nd. My god.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 30th 2021 at 12:57:17 PM

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#360523: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:04:36 PM

So are we ever going to hear anything more conclusive about that Mueller report? Is this going to be a 50 years thing?

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#360524: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:05:44 PM

I'm betting if there is anything "fishy" (in other words, practically nothing) regarding President Biden the Republicans in the Senate will absolutely try to open investigations into him with the aim of getting him impeached. Not that they will actually succeed in opening the investigations first.

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#360525: Mar 30th 2021 at 1:12:10 PM

There's a part of me that feel Republicans won't want to remove Biden because they dont want Harris becoming President.

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