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#360376: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:33:07 AM

[up][up][up][up]Ah, I see.

So basically, the position is completely useless because half the Senate is committed to breaking the rules and arguing in bad faith.

Edit: Of course this becomes a page-topper...

Edited by BrendanRizzo on Mar 29th 2021 at 10:42:03 AM

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#360378: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:42:13 AM

Centuries.

Also, FYI, I check Right-wing news sources to see how bullsbhit they're spinning. However, you're ALSO drinking fucking kool-aid if you think the Far-Left doesn't do their own propaganda shit. There is far less of it, I will grant that, simply for the fact the GOP's went ass-over teakettle into the Conspiracy hole. But don't act like nutbar kooks on the left doesn't exist, like that female anti-gun protester who pointed a loaded AK-47 at her audience.

Stupid and/or ignorant people in general are a problem. The grand majority of them worldwide currently are right-wing, but they don't have a monopoly on it. Course, I might also just feel this way due to the fact I live in one of the largest concentrations of stupid, ignorant and/or lazy Leftists on the planet, the lower mainland of BC. They'll talk for years about how important stuff is, but they'll never actually DO anything about it. BC has the worst Mental Health department in Canada. When the province that keeps trying to separate has a better track record than you, you have a problem.

That, and the Lower Mainland is also the most racially segregated and racist place in Canada, which is why I've nicknamed it "Canada's Johannesburg."

Edited by Pendrake on Mar 29th 2021 at 10:55:30 AM

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#360379: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:43:13 AM

If only they had done their job when McConnell or whoever it was decided that just declaring a filibuster without actually doing it was all that was needed...

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#360380: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:44:18 AM

Why do we even have a Senate Parliamentarian?

Someone has to read the senate rules and interpret them, it makes sense for that person to be a non-partisan professional.

The senate can change its rules if it so desires, but the idea is that until it does so it needs to stick to them.

If only they had done their job when Mc Connell or whoever it was decided that just declaring a filibuster without actually doing it was all that was needed...

That’s not a breach of the senate rules. Hell, the senate rules don’t even mention the filibuster (as it is simply an absence of rules). Plus the majority leader can (I think) force a filibuster to be followed through on if they so desire, they just chose not to.

Edited by Silasw on Mar 29th 2021 at 6:46:34 PM

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#360381: Mar 29th 2021 at 10:49:17 AM

If all else fails, tell them Krispy Kreme is giving free donuts to everyone who gets vaccinated (not a joke, this is a real thing and I cynically expect it to see actual success in getting people vaccinated where science fails)

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Centuries.

I wouldn't go that far, we did have a productive consensus in the past. It just so happened to be built on the backs of subjugated black people.

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#360382: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:01:18 AM

The irony is really that the US became what it was founded to break away from.

At least for roughly the past century or so.

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#360383: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:04:11 AM

A hereditary monarchy? No, not really.

About half of the original Patriots wanted to break away because they resented the long-distance rule of the British monarchy and wanted to govern themselves, while the other half wanted to break away because they heard that Britain was going to abolish slavery and they didn't want any part of that.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 29th 2021 at 2:04:36 PM

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#360384: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:05:10 AM

A number were also angry that Britain wouldn’t let them steal as much territory from native Americans as they wanted.

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#360385: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:12:24 AM

Also,taxes played a part,three big taxes basically pushed the colonists to breaking point,hence "no taxation without representation!"

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#360386: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:25:38 AM

Rich people not wanting to pay taxes is literally enshrined in the founding mythos of this country. It's no surprise, then, that we're still having trouble getting them to pay their fair share.

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#360387: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:28:27 AM

[up]I think this is a rather unfair read of their motivation, the slogan wasn't "no taxation" it was "no taxation without representation". That's an important difference.

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#360388: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:29:47 AM

Then again, assholery made sound reasonable is also a big problem in the country.

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#360389: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:30:31 AM

I meant an empire that controls trade and sticks its nose in everyone else's business.

Not so much the Monarchy part.

And rich people trying to avoid taxes has pretty much existed since the concepts of wealth and taxes first existed.

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#360390: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:32:30 AM

[up][up]Wanting representation from a monarchy is "assholery"?

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 29th 2021 at 11:32:40 AM

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#360391: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:33:35 AM

When it's a fig leaf for the fact that your only problem with the hierarchy is that you're not the one at the top if it, it is.

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#360392: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:37:39 AM

[up]This is a rather reductive and ahistoric view of the American Revolution, obviously Patriot leaders were motivated by class-interest but ignoring any kind of principle is a lazy analysis. Demonization is just as flawed and blind as hero worship.

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#360393: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:43:03 AM

Agreed. Values Dissonance and all that.

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#360394: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:46:06 AM

Yep.

You know, curiously, and there's probably a better thread for this, but it's interesting to think what North America's landscape territory wise would've looked like if The American Revolution never happened.

The Louisiana territory'd possibly have become a primarily francophone country in the US's place, Mexico would probably be expanded up a lot of the west coast, hell, Russia might've expanded south from Alaska too.

Interesting to think about.

Edited by Pendrake on Mar 29th 2021 at 11:53:26 AM

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#360395: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:53:13 AM

The Framers were by no means perfect, but they did fight legitimate unjustices.

For example, with the tax situation, it's worth noting that it isn't just that the taxes that were the problem. The problem was that the British Empire was unilaterally taxing American colonies while also making exemptions for megacorporations that the crown owned stock in.

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#360396: Mar 29th 2021 at 11:56:06 AM

Well, my point is more the same thing is happening nowadays among American Politicians and Megacorps.

The players've changed, but it's still basically the same schtick.

Time goes on, but history repeats itself.

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#360397: Mar 29th 2021 at 12:33:04 PM

Given how many revolutions against the UK eventually happened all around the world, I think an American Revolution was inevitable, even if it happened later on.

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#360398: Mar 29th 2021 at 12:35:09 PM

Yeah and honestly, even though America had it's own huge issues too, the British Empire was not a force for good and it deserved to fall apart.

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#360399: Mar 29th 2021 at 1:06:31 PM

[up] And I'm pretty sure you could Brexit as the endpoint of all, to the final result of the United Kingdom dissolving and becoming just England and Wales, and maybe not even Wales.

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#360400: Mar 29th 2021 at 1:06:54 PM

I think this is a rather unfair read of their motivation, the slogan wasn't "no taxation" it was "no taxation without representation". That's an important difference.

Sure, and now their slogan is, "Preserving the wealth of job creators trickles down into the economy." The reality is that Americans have never wanted to pay taxes. That used to be England's problem. Now it's ours.

That doesn't mean the U.K. didn't have its share of problems. But it's worth keeping in mind that rich people refusing to pay taxes has been the status quo of this country for its entire existence. We didn't even want to pay the soldiers who fought in the revolution!

The privileged rich ravenously devouring the poor and disenfranchised while flipping off the government is what this country is at its heart of hearts, and we've been fighting an uphill battle to change that for centuries.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 29th 2021 at 1:08:33 AM

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