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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#35901: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:27:02 PM

Thread hop.

I just saw a political ad that takes place in the future as a Chinese professor explains how America tried to outspend its recession to China and now how America is basically China's slave and the entire crowd of Chinese people start laughing evilly while the professor grins evilly at the camera. [lol]

LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#35902: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:28:34 PM

I've seen that one before.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35903: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:31:21 PM

...

Yeah because we totally owe all our debt to China. God damn I wish that myth would go away.

edit: It also makes no sense. America is buying tons of shit from China so shouldn't that make them our slaves?

edited 29th Oct '12 3:31:54 PM by Kostya

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35904: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:34:51 PM

Misleading and rather racist. Classy. If the US and/or the EU go down China will probably suffer along with them.

edited 29th Oct '12 3:35:11 PM by Rationalinsanity

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#35905: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:38:18 PM

Yeah, I've seen that one before.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#35907: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:01:32 PM

It's true that one Chinese diplomat once said that we'd be China's "farm", and Europe their "boutique", but that was like Khrushchev waving his shoe. China has been consciously propping up our economy.

Not that I know anything about economics (Tomu?). But who can predict what would happen if they called in their debts? Not even china want that.

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#35908: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:05:53 PM

Even Mitt Romney of all people said in one of the debates that China relies on us a lot more than we do on them. That doesn't stop him from fearmongering, but still.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#35909: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:14:54 PM

Plus, and I don't actually remember the exact figure for this, our debt to China is only a small fraction of our debt. Most of our debt is owed domestically, so we'd be slaves to... ourselves?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35910: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:15:58 PM

[up][up][up]If China called in their debt we'd be unable to buy anymore of their products which would bankrupt their economy.

[up]Our children are essentially our slaves. This is possibly where the debt being immoral thing comes from.

edited 29th Oct '12 4:16:27 PM by Kostya

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35911: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:16:31 PM

You'd be slaves to the wealthiest people in the US. Would anything change? Would you even notice?

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Lost in Space
#35912: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:30:58 PM

The federal government could cancel every dollar of domestically held debt in the country tomorrow and the net change in national wealth would be zero. Of course, there would be side-effects; it would be a wealth transfer of unprecedented proportions and would probably trigger a huge confidence crisis in the finance sector. But the total quantity of dollars in circulation would be unchanged.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35913: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:48:28 PM

If you are interested in getting a proper response through FEMA to storms like Hurricane Sandy, you are not going to get that from Romney and Ryan.

The 2013 FEMA budget request is about 13.5 billion. Ryan's proposal to the FEMA budget is 3 billion. Romney's FEMA plan is 1 billion.

Remember Katrina? Imagine more of than without FEMA.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35914: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:50:59 PM

Let me guess, private charities will take care of things.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35915: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:51:58 PM

In the Republican debates, Romney called FEMA "immoral."

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35916: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:53:31 PM

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We'd have to learn Chinese.

And generally speaking Oriental languages tend to be hard as f*ck to learn.

EDIT: Oh god another abortion derail. How how many does that make at this point? 5?

edited 29th Oct '12 4:55:27 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35917: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:54:40 PM

[up][up]Why? What is so fucking immoral about helping people out after a natural disaster? Are we supposed to let them fix their own shit so they can learn the value of hardwork or some bullshit?

[up]Why bother? They have as many English speakers as us.

edited 29th Oct '12 4:55:14 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35918: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:55:29 PM

This is what happens when you ignore climate change. You get stronger, harder, tougher storms like Sandy.

Except no politician wants to talk about climate change. Go figure.

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#35919: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:55:59 PM

KING: What else, Governor Romney? You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.

Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut — we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…

KING: Including disaster relief, though?

ROMNEY: We cannot — we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.

There you have it. Federal Bad. States Good. Private Better Than Good.

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#35920: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:56:01 PM

@kostya: it's the same debate I linked to before. Specifically, he called any sort of deficit spending Immoral, and the moderator asked if that included disaster relief.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35921: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:57:42 PM

Game, set, match. Romney's basically "Yeah, as long as I get money from it. Especially my banker friends."

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35922: Oct 29th 2012 at 4:58:37 PM

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According to Wikipedia 10,000,000 people in China speak can English.

Which seems like a lot until you realize that means only 0.83% of there population can speak English.

edited 29th Oct '12 4:59:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35923: Oct 29th 2012 at 5:00:01 PM

SO TAX PEOPLE MORE AND CUT THE FUCKING MILITARY BUDGET! Those are the two biggest contributors to the deficit (or was that the debt?).

Also I'd say it's even more immoral to make people suffer now when we could be helping them. He's also ignoring that corporations have no incentive to help people.

[up]Are you sure that number's accurate? That seems much lower than what I've heard before.

edited 29th Oct '12 5:00:27 PM by Kostya

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35924: Oct 29th 2012 at 5:00:47 PM

At least Obama is appearing presidential right now.

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35925: Oct 29th 2012 at 5:04:22 PM

Those are the two biggest contributors to the deficit (or was that the debt?).

The debt grows when you have a deficit. The deferal government gets money from taxes. Then it spends that money to carry out its duties. If there's more spending than income, the extra spending is called the deficit. The government covers this deficit by taking loans, which of course means debt.

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