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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35876: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:58:50 PM

Grizzly is right-it makes no sense to argue against a Pro-lifer with a position that fetuses aren't people. You can argue as to why it's absurd that fetuses are people, but you know full well that they don't accept that premise-and probably never will-so discussing it as if they do is missing the point completely.

MOVING ON.

[up] Lul Godwin

edited 29th Oct '12 12:59:18 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35877: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:02:28 PM

A fetus is not alive until it's out of the womb.

When it can breathe, think, talk, walk, move, all on its own, then it's alive. I effect, when it's in the womb, it's basically another organ.

Is a fetus alive? You could argue that, because as it's in the womb, it's developing into something that will gain life.

Now, the real question is - should men even have the right to so much as talk about it?

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#35878: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:02:58 PM

Weren't we just told to drop the abortion topic?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35879: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:03:44 PM

I'm this close to proposing a rule against Godwinning. Maybe we'll have a thump that simply says "Godwin, you lose."

Also, any further posts about abortion will be thumped. If a candidate brings it up, you can talk about it - but only in relation to that statement, not the topic in genral. And don't take this as your cue to go back to the quotes that have already been discussed.

edited 29th Oct '12 1:05:09 PM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35880: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:04:41 PM

The real winner of this election is George W Bush. It's his policies national security and economic, after all. Obama's resuming, codifying and intensifying them. Romney wants to do the same.

Forget abortion. The real moral issue would be to choose not to vote for the two war mongers running for office.

edited 29th Oct '12 1:06:27 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#35881: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:05:08 PM

Oh, I agree with Grizzly that the motives of the pro-life movement are often highly misunderstood. I just thought that particular article wasn't unfair. I didn't really want to talk about abortion itself - or Nazis, for that matter-, just the perceptions both sides have of each other. That's all.

So, anyways... um, apparently that whole "election" thing is still going on. Fuck.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35882: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:05:43 PM

[up][up][up]Pointing to the edit in case people missed it.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#35883: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:05:44 PM

@Best Of: That would be awesome. cool

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35884: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:07:21 PM

Obama has a "disposition matrix." Ever heard of that?

Romney would continue that, for goddamn sure.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#35885: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:08:01 PM

Heck, I'd like that thump to have a cute verse, even... evil grin

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35887: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:11:59 PM

I think Romney will natch Florida and Virginia, but Obama will take Ohio, Nevada, Iowa and Wisconsin.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#35888: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:13:54 PM

"Disposition Matrix"? Why did they have to make the federal kill list sound like an awesome sci-fi movie?

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#35889: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:22:06 PM

Florida certainly,pretty sure everything else will be Obama (including Virginia,..unless Huffington 's an outlier now,they usually haven't been though).

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#35890: Oct 29th 2012 at 1:44:17 PM

I'm hoping that the fallout from Sandy won't mess up the ability of folks in PA to vote. I've evacuated to a hotel because my home is in a flood zone.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35891: Oct 29th 2012 at 2:17:16 PM

so in hilarious news a friend found a political documentary with such interesting "facts" about liberals such as that we abort all our children and recruit by brainwashing college students into our ranks.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35892: Oct 29th 2012 at 2:25:50 PM

Sounds about right. In fact, I was about to make another recruitment run over to Armstrong Atlantic State University to bolster the ranks. I'm waaaaay below quota.

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#35893: Oct 29th 2012 at 2:28:09 PM

Because the hurricane has shut down the federal government, the Bureau of Labor Statistics will not be releasing the October Jobs report on time.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#35894: Oct 29th 2012 at 2:30:31 PM

CONSPIRACY.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#35895: Oct 29th 2012 at 2:55:58 PM

That was my next point: Fox News and other conservative blogs are saying that the BLS is using the hurricane as an excuse to withhold data until after the election.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#35896: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:02:40 PM

I didn't need a crystal ball to call that.

Those types of conservatives make me ashamed to be a conservative.

...maybe they can't get to work to compile the data...? STOP USING YOUR FANCY REASONING, IT'S A CONSPIRACY.

edited 29th Oct '12 3:03:41 PM by pvtnum11

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#35897: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:07:41 PM

The Hurricane is a Liberal Conspiracy!!!

Keep Rolling On
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35898: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:08:46 PM

Maybe they are trying to save lives and vital resources? Nope, Elitist Liberal Satanist Socialism Conspiracy (TM).

Yes its a strawman... but does it count when some people do put that stuff out there unironically?

[down]Correct. Cursed autocorrect.

edited 29th Oct '12 3:24:10 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#35899: Oct 29th 2012 at 3:10:00 PM

Un-ironically, you mean?

"can't tell if trolling or serious" is not just a meme, it happens all the time with some folks.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding

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