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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35851: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:25:28 AM

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Pretty much. The Right's narratuive is rather bulletproof in that it completely shuts out all need for logic.

national standards? Socialism.

Voting rights simplified? Probably a secret liberal plot to deny votes to the right.

business regulations that are aimed at making businesses work more in the public interest? Part of a job killing liberal agenda.

Its simple. Anything a liberal says is automatically suspect, corrupt, and any facts related to it are blatant lies fabricated by people who work for the liberal agenda.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#35852: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:26:51 AM

By the way, could the Hurricane win Obama the Election if does well dealing with the aftermath?

Keep Rolling On
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#35853: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:28:22 AM

[up]Possibly yes. Or by Romney screwing up something during the hurricane.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#35854: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:29:16 AM

1) Let's try not to opportunistically politicize a natural disaster that kills people.

2) Obama doesn't really have that much impact on how it's handled beyond calling state of disaster.

edited 29th Oct '12 11:29:34 AM by Pykrete

Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#35855: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:35:02 AM

As much as it may seem vulture like, natural disasters do have political consequences. These include: lack of access to polls, the recovery process after the disaster, improper statements made during or directly after the storm. This storm is already political, considering it's hitting a week before election day. You certainly can't say that Katrina wasn't politicized, or the tornadoes that hit in 2010 weren't. Storms are political because they have political consequences.

Anyway, here is an article pertaining to the political impacts of Sandy.

edited 29th Oct '12 11:36:55 AM by Completion

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#35856: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:38:44 AM

1) I bet someone will try anyway.

2) True, but if things go pear-shaped Obama will be blamed somehow, even if it makes no logical sense.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#35857: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:47:51 AM

2) True, but if things go pear-shaped Obama will be blamed somehow, even if it makes no logical sense.

Much like Bush got blamed for Katrina.

Anyway, here is an article pertaining to the political impacts of Sandy.

Yeah, it should be noted that you're likely to see a dip in the polls for Obama, not necessarily because less people are going to vote for him, but because a disproportionate number of people who are voting for him might be physically unable to be polled at the moment.

edited 29th Oct '12 11:52:00 AM by Pykrete

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#35858: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:51:03 AM

Much like Bush got blamed for Katrina.

Precisely! (Except not at all.)

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#35859: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:53:27 AM

You...don't think Bush got blamed for how Katrina got handled? Because he kinda did.

Hell, I heard a few hippies around here blaming him for the hurricane itself.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#35860: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:55:05 AM

[up] No,that blame was justified. The Bush admin did nearly diddly squat to help victims for awhile.

And if the Obama admin was to be just as callous,it'd be his fault there to.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35861: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:09:11 PM

I'm posting this here because it probably sums up the general thought process of most "pro-choice" people better than they can.

[up]I was going to say that. Didn't Bush intentionally tell people to not get too prepared because he didn't think it would be a big deal? Yeah, look how that turned out.

edited 29th Oct '12 12:09:53 PM by Kostya

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#35862: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:17:29 PM

Anyone see the latest xkcd poster on Congress? I wish it was a bit higher res, as some of the small-font stuff is hard to see.

edited 29th Oct '12 12:17:42 PM by pvtnum11

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
vanthebaron Mystical Monkey Master from Carlyle, Il Since: Sep, 2010
Mystical Monkey Master
#35863: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:25:32 PM

@what kos linked: exactly.

Click on the comic using Firefox.

edited 29th Oct '12 12:27:20 PM by vanthebaron

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#35864: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:28:07 PM

In regards to Hurricane Sandy: I suppose it's completely impossible that they'd delay the election for a week or so due to the 10 million people affected? note 

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35865: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:29:12 PM

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I doubt it. Especially since I suspect half of congress would cry "vote fixing" or something similarly insane.

#35866: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:34:50 PM

@Kostya's link: As usual, pro-choice advocates are unable or unwilling to comprehend the concept someone considering an unborn baby to be a person. Because if some group that author believed were innocent people were the ones being killed on this scale, he would never dare to compare it with any of the issues he mentioned.

That guy is free to insist on using the terms he prefers, but his viewpoint is unreasonable to anyone who actually understands the issue.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#35867: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:39:42 PM

Actually, it's because I see unborn babies as people that I believe that abortion needs to be legal. I believe that the greatest good is accomplished by making sure that there is the most amount of happiness in the universe. Looking at countries that have completely banned abortion has made me realise that doing so kills more people, both children and mothers than having it legal with lots of access to birth control and counselling.

Banning abortion kills babies, kills women, increases poverty, and lowers education rates. There's no possible way I could support something that immoral.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#35868: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:40:18 PM

One can believe in proper and resonable gun control legistlation, believe that we actually did have somthing to do with climate change and still believe that life starts at conception.

At least I do, anyway.

That link paints conservatives in a very wide brush. We're not always so neatly categorized.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#35869: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:43:43 PM

Abortion is an issue on which the people on different sides will not be able to find common ground because they tend to come from two mutually exclusive assumptions. From the Pro-Life activists, that assumption is that unborn fetuses are people. From the Pro-Choice activists, that assumption is that unborn fetuses are not people. When everything comes from those, there will be no common ground.

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#35870: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:45:29 PM

I agree with that assesment. It is a polarizing debate, and pretty much due to that issue.

...so what can we do about it?

edited 29th Oct '12 12:46:44 PM by pvtnum11

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35871: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:47:07 PM

No abortion derail, please. Pretty please.    Please.   

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
vanthebaron Mystical Monkey Master from Carlyle, Il Since: Sep, 2010
Mystical Monkey Master
#35872: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:48:39 PM

It's about the freedom to chose what goes on in your body, not "is a human".

@pv: let's the lady chose.

edited 29th Oct '12 12:49:32 PM by vanthebaron

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#35873: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:51:23 PM

I thought the comparisons were fair. Gun violence takes lives all the time, and global warming poses a serious threat, particularly to those in developing countries. What's so offensive about that? What would've been more apt? A comparison between abortion and the Holocaust? Honestly Grizzly, I just don't get what you want. I don't think it's a particularly unreasonable or even a particularly notable assertion to say that there are pro-life people out there who don't have a consistent moral framework that supports the sanctity of life, and in the sake of fairness, "pro-choice" is, in itself, an emotionally manipulative term that could probably be phrased as something else. And pro-choice people can have their own problems; I don't claim we're perfect.

But that's just the reality of it all. In the context of politics, this is a wedge issue that is used solely for playing with people's emotions. They don't care, though. Politicians are sociopaths who know that they can get away with fucking us over if they distract us with things like this. That's what annoys me the most, above all.

edited 29th Oct '12 12:53:11 PM by HilarityEnsues

#35874: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:55:09 PM

@deathpidgeon: The problem is that pro-choice advocates frequently ridicule pro-life advocates using arguments based on the assumption that unborn babies are not people, which obviously makes no sense. You can't criticize someone's beliefs by showing that they contradict positions that the person doesn't hold.

Looking at countries that have completely banned abortion has made me realise that doing so kills more people, both children and mothers than having it legal with lots of access to birth control and counselling.

That's like saying that it would be a good deal to vote for a party that increased wellfare but also forced large proportions of poor people to engage in lethal gladiatorial combat. Sure, it would have economic benefits, and the loss to those killed would be balanced against the gain to those who got more welfare, but nor moral person would ever support it.

edited 29th Oct '12 12:55:25 PM by EdwardsGrizzly

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35875: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:55:29 PM

You cannot tell me, right here, right now, that you would have shed any tears if Adolf Hitler's mother aborted him prior to his birth. cool

edited 29th Oct '12 1:01:22 PM by Serocco

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