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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Okay, Grayson is a lying, misleading asshole. However, you have to take the whole thing into perspective, for as Serocco points out:
Meanwhile, Webster sponsored SB 2400 in the Florida Senate requiring that all women planning to undergo an abortion receive an invasive vaginal ultrasound. It didn't pass the Florida Senate at the time, but it became state law eventually.
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I've been trying to figure out how I can open the subject without things going down the tubes very quickly.
So blatant that the only way they can exploit it is to lie and invent quotes?
Rape culture is prevalent in our culture. It may even be more prevalent among some people who vote republican, although I haven't seen a solid argument for it. However, I have seen little to no support for the idea that conservative Christianity is a source of support for it. My experience has been quite the opposite. Perhaps my sample is limited, but the frequency with which I discover that supposed examples are lies invented by people with anti-christian agendas is steadily eroding my ability to believe that.
edited 29th Oct '12 7:13:16 AM by EdwardsGrizzly
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Although I disagree with you on a lot of issues, Grizzly, in this case, I'm totally on your side. As a Democrat, it's hypocritical to call out Republicans for lies, and inflammatory statements, then argue that when "our" side does it, it's for a good cause. No matter who's spewing the bile and disinformation, all it does is polarize politics, encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality, and further the degeneration of the American political system.
@tao: of course the radicals are representative of the GOP as a whole. If the people didn't agree with what they say, they wouldn't be elected.
edited 29th Oct '12 7:25:59 AM by vanthebaron
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Honetsly, I think the system is already completedly degenerated and unsalvageable. Whats the point to compromise when the other side's views of what is morally right and proper is so alien to you that it makes you want to vomit to even consider it?
Do think Grayson's tactics are moral? No. But then. I don't see the right condemning their side for doing the same thing on a near-constant basis. Hell. I heard 5+ political commercials this morning during a 30 minute drive all using the lie that "Missouri needs more jobs, not moar taxes"
edited 29th Oct '12 7:27:19 AM by Midgetsnowman
That attitude quite frankly disgusts me, and furthermore is factually unsound, considering that virtually all conservatives, including Todd Akin himself, spoke out against and apologized for his ignorant statements. Grayson, on the other hand, was not ignorant but deliberately malicious, and adamantly defended his lies even when confronted on national tv with the full context of them.
Compare this
with this
, and tell me that Grayson is just like republicans.
EDIT: fixed links, the boards hate youtube.
edited 29th Oct '12 7:54:11 AM by EdwardsGrizzly
<><And then when it was made evident Akin wouldn't pull himself out of the race, the GOP politicians backpedaled and started going "Akin, what a swell guy. Missouri should feel lucky to have such a wonderful fellow."
Romney campaign “hindering” and “impeding” Hurricane Sandy relief
^EXACTLY. If you support the candidate you are saying you support what he says he will do. That makes conservative voters malicious in my eyes.
V if they vote for Akin, the support the rape comment and are their for subhuman in my eye. if you vote for and candidate that supports Akin, same thing.
edited 29th Oct '12 8:04:23 AM by vanthebaron
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Akin barely backpedaled at all. His apology was so halfhearted it mihght as well have not even happened,
. And he's still going to win because Missouri voters care more about demonizing Claire Mc Caskill (who's barely liberal to begin with) and trumpeting idiotic taglines like "job creators" to bother with noticing he said anything about rape. After all, Missouri is a red state in all but name anymore.
edited 29th Oct '12 8:01:48 AM by Midgetsnowman
Compare this with this, and tell me that Grayson is just like republicans.
Akin gave a classic not-pology - he "misspoke", and his argument was "ill-conceived", and the big error was in the "words he said". The implication is that if he'd worded the same position in nicer language so more people accepted it, then all would be right. He changed the topic to discuss stronger punishment for rapists, as though anyone was worried about being soft on convicted rapists (though it would not surprise me if he used "soft on crime" accusations at other points in his campaign).
You're right, Grayson isn't just like Republicans. They're MUCH better at PR. He should be taking notes.
@Potatoes:
Because he himself apologized and rejected his ignorant statements, demonstrating not only a capacity to absorb facts but a level of humility which is a good trait for politicians to have. Grayson, on the other hand, wouldn't even "clarify" his ad, much less apologize for it. Even in the face of a female MSNBC reporter calling him a liar to his face and reading the full text of Webster's speech, he insisted that his ad did not take Webster out of context.
Seriously, watch the two videos I linked to. One man made a foolish error, was showed his mistake, and apologized, while the other, when confronted with his lies, tried to pull the same intimidation on the female anchor that he tried on his voters (she obviously didn't buy it, but you can see that she was miffed). He's a scumbag, and I don't call people scumbags lightly.
edited 29th Oct '12 8:06:59 AM by EdwardsGrizzly
<><I do think the recent trend of clipping speeches to make it appear that a candidate said something they actually didn't is absolutely reprehensible, no matter who does it.
I have the impression, though, that this is one of the few times a Democrat has been caught doing it. Republicans have been doing it for a while — I know they've done it to Obama's speeches, for instance. Has it actually been something that mostly Republicans have done, or is this just a function of my mostly following Democrat-leaning media?
A brighter future for a darker age.Griz, Akin supported all of Paul Ryan's shit in Congress. The apology was bullshit, the evidence is in his vetoing record.
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Soundbites? Common in British Politics since Tony Blair: major speeches (even during Prime Ministers Questions) are designed to highlight the parts that will appear on the TV News that Evening...
Keep Rolling On@Greenmantle: no, the deliberate slicing of a part of a candidate's speech in order to imply a different meaning than they plainly used, given any context whatsoever. For example, if a candidate says "Some people think X, but I strongly disagree with them", and their opposition simply runs the clip of whatever X is.
A brighter future for a darker age.

Oh, don't get too comfortable with Roe v. Wade. I know it's been around for a while, but it is a fact that if Romney wins, he will appoint a Supreme Court Justice to overturn it.
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