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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35776: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:04:23 PM

Grayson didn't lie

If the other guy says he won't quote or follow certain rules from the Bible and your ad then cuts that to sound like they will quote and follow the rules they just disowned, that ad is lying. It's distorting what the other candidate said, just like Romney did to Obama. I don't care whether both sides do it or not. If it's a tradition in American politics to do that stuff, I still don't care. If you ask me if the thing portrayed in that ad was a lie, my answer is yes, it was a lie.

If you want to accuse someone of being a pot and calling the kettle black, make sure you're not a pot yourself.

I'd only take Grizzly's comments about Grayson seriously once he starts calling Romney out for his lies.

My point is that you have to call Grayson out before you can expect Grizzly to call Romney out.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:06:17 PM by BestOf

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35777: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:06:25 PM

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To be honest its not that surprising

edited 28th Oct '12 9:07:04 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#35778: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:10:31 PM

We really need a 2014 midterm elections thread since the end of this election season is almost over.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#35779: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:11:52 PM

We could just have a general Politics thread.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35780: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:13:05 PM

Let's give it a couple of weeks.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35781: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:15:01 PM

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We should call it, THE AMERICAN POLITICS THREAD OF AWESOME

edited 28th Oct '12 9:15:24 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35782: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:15:55 PM

Actually, I think it might be better to let this thread die and make a new thread for the next American elections. I could change this thread's name and make it a general thread for all American elections, but it's already a megathread and I don't know of any reason why it's better to continue from this to 2014 and beyond. EDIT: I just noticed that no one suggested that this thread become the new American elections thread. Oops.

With a new thread for the elections in 2014, people might be more likely to read the thread before they post when the thread starts to grow. If you want new people to enter this thread, it's more or less guaranteed that they'll skip all but the very first and last pages.

So keep using this thread until it fades away and then we'll see what we'll do. For 2013, you might want to have a general thread for American politics. But even with that, it might still be better to have a separate thread for 2014.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:17:32 PM by BestOf

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35783: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:17:55 PM

Yeah, Grayson did lie about Long, but his overall message is one that's true. I'm not sure what Long himself believes, but he accepted Herman Cain's endorsement, so there's that.

Oh, one other thing. The part in Obamacare that forces insurance companies to stop not covering those with pre-existing conditions? It gets implemented in 2014. Right in the middle of a midterm election. Right when the Republicans could take the Senate.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:20:37 PM by Serocco

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35784: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:19:11 PM

Grayson did lie about Long

And now I won't nag at you for calling the other party's liars ... uhh, liars.

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#35785: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:19:53 PM

4[up]:THIS TIME, IT'S PERSONAL

You know, we should have a thread where we can ask if the thread we want to make is good/acceptable.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:20:22 PM by Ekuran

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35786: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:20:46 PM

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Technically he exaggerated.

Which is different (I think).

edited 28th Oct '12 9:21:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35787: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:29:15 PM

Yeah, let's close this thread by January 20th, inauguration day.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:29:55 PM by Serocco

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#35788: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:36:46 PM

At the very least archive it. A lot of pseudo-derails means that we can just link to various parts to show when an argument has been played out. tongue

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#35789: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:40:39 PM

Yeah, Grayson did lie about Long, but his overall message is one that's true. I'm not sure what Long himself believes, but he accepted Herman Cain's endorsement, so there's that.

...now I'm confused. The ad I was talking about was not against Long, but Daniel Webster, the deeply conservative Florida state legislator who successfully unseated Grayson for US rep in the 2010 elections. The outrage over that ad (among other things) led to the much better-funded Grayson dropping from a wide lead to a distant loss after he refused to back down on his statements despite being confronted with both the full context of the video and the factual inaccuracy of his other statements about Webster.

...ugh, just hearing that guy's name puts me in a bad mood. I know this probably sounds crazy, but Alan Grayson is literally one of about half a dozen people in the world who I truly dislike.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#35790: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:42:58 PM

Well, I'm just going to pop in and add that if you're lying, either about yourself or your opponent, you don't deserve to hold office. Of course, then they're both liars, so you have to choose between the liar whose policies you agree with and the one you don't. That's American politics in a nutshell.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35791: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:44:12 PM

Grayson lied.

Meanwhile, Webster sponsored SB 2400 in the Florida Senate requiring that all women planning to undergo an abortion receive an invasive vaginal ultrasound. It didn't pass the Florida Senate at the time, but it became state law eventually.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:50:09 PM by Serocco

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#35792: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:47:16 PM

[up][up] What if the office you're running for is one that oversees espionage, disinformation campaigns, and other covert operations? Being comfortable with deception could actually be a valuable job skill.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:47:33 PM by RavenWilder

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35793: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:01:30 PM

@Serocco: Can't say I'm surprised about Rick Perry. He's still relatively young and has set the record for longest gubernatorial rule/most terms/whatever phrase is appropriate here.

The system is set up so that OTHER REPUBLICANS can't win against him. And Hutchinson was someone I could get behind, way back when she ran. (For one, she was for spending money on education, and had served as... comptroller or something in the Treasury. The other guy was running largely as a joke.) Sometimes I think Texas is stuck with Perry until he dies. But maybe recent demographic shifts will have taken enough effect by then that it's at least a serious fight to hold onto his position. And that people bring up his major flub in this presidential campaign run. Or he has a repeat of that.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#35794: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:25:36 PM

These last couple of pages have made me sad. The amount of cognitive dissonance on display is simply atrocious.

He didn't lie! Well, he exaggerated! Okay, he lied but politicians do it all the time so it's okay! Except when Romney does it, then he's a lying lie liar not fit to hold office!

Instead of making excuses admit the guy lied, is sort of a prick and move on.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35795: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:30:16 PM

I just stopped paying attention.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35796: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:30:48 PM

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Exaggerating isn't lying!

I think. Better not quote me on this.

I think it depends on the definition of lying your using.

edited 28th Oct '12 11:33:48 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#35797: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:34:25 PM

@Braeburn: Well, it certainly isn't lying down. tongue

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35798: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:00:52 AM

I wasn't here when the conversation was happening and he's not running in my state anyway, so uh... I really don't care. Texas has enough crazy on its own for me to worry about.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#35799: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:10:04 AM

Regardless, Grayson's other positions definitely make him more trustworthy than a Republican. Voting for the Lilly Ledbitter Act, sponsoring the Public Option Act, voting for the Hate Crimes Expansion Act, criticized the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and so forth.

If Perry wins re-election as governor, how are his chances of running for the White House again?

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35800: Oct 29th 2012 at 12:12:43 AM

Just going by history, the runner up usually gets to slot, so that'd be Santorum, but this election year was weird.


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