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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35626: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:58:07 AM

If you show it to do anything at all you might be discriminated against, especially if it seems like anything listed could have been "self-inflicted" like diabetes.

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Vampire Hunter
#35627: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:00:44 AM

Why do people hate the idea of government issued IDs? It seems like it would be a convenient thing to have since it could combine a lot of different cards into one.

Because most people, at least in the US, don't actually trust government. The difference is the reasoning. On one end, you've got the rural people who think government is going to use IDs to force the Mark of the Beast on them. On the other, you've got the urban people who think "the Man" is out to use IDs to disenfranchise them.

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LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35628: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:05:01 AM

@Rationalsanity's LINK:

If that's true, we're boned - and so is the world at large... Better stock up on weapons, then.

edited 28th Oct '12 10:05:13 AM by LostAnarchist

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35629: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:08:48 AM

Hey its far from over and Obama has a huge lead in early voting. And I suspect Romney would be a mediocre president (much like Bush 2 would have been if 9/11 didn't happen) controlled by a Democratic Senate/filibuster. No need to start planning armed resistance at this point.

edited 28th Oct '12 10:09:37 AM by Rationalinsanity

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LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35630: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:17:21 AM

[up]Agreed - not yet, but in the near future, I'll still be... Unless I get the money to go elsewhere, that is. Yet less and less, I don't think I'm overexaggerating the possible damage done here...

Also, early voting is only the tip of what constitutes America's voting majority. At this point, people really need to be convinced Romney sucks hard after the first debate to avoid a win in his favor, or worst yet, a tie that leads hime to winning due to a Republican-controlled Congress.

EDIT - unless Dems are kicking as in these areas, that is - I keep hearing things are grim for House AND Senate (where Dems usually dominate) Dems...

edited 28th Oct '12 10:25:16 AM by LostAnarchist

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35631: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:17:23 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]We have laws that prevent discrimination based on a lot of things. Can't they be extended to that?

[up][up][up][up]How do photo I Ds resemble the mark of the beast in any way?

Honestly I don't get the logic behind this at all. You pretty much need a car if you live in rural places which means you need a driver's license. This is just a driver's license that does a few other things.

[up][up][up]Okay that's not really a good idea. We'd just be confirming the right wing delusion that we're all godless revolutionaries.

edited 28th Oct '12 10:19:22 AM by Kostya

LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
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#35632: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:20:50 AM

[up]Sorry, but IMHO,God doesn't belong in politics! God can be considered a disease in that regard,IMHO - hence our very negative standing in the world, besides being labeled war-mongers by everyone when we try to impose "democracy" through war (usually of the religious-seeming "Arab Spring" types) in general...

And keep in mind, I'm a Christian (though I'm quite distanced from the church) - I just know better than these extremist fools in power rushing in to persecute everyone over nothing...

edited 28th Oct '12 10:23:47 AM by LostAnarchist

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35633: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:25:02 AM

I know but tell that to the majority of Americans. Fundamentalism is a very big problem in this country. It has been for decades.

LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35634: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:26:34 AM

[up]Dammit... It's becoming more and more like the Civil War and abolishment of Jim Crow laws never happened in most places, isn't it? What I'm suggesting won't ultimately cure these fundamental illnesses plaguging us, either, though.

Sigh...Let's... not dwell on this, please. I'm just not liking this news so far is all...

edited 28th Oct '12 10:33:01 AM by LostAnarchist

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35635: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:46:54 AM

@Kotsya: there's discrimination protections for a lot of people. See how well that worked?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35636: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:49:09 AM

Actually I think the ways polls are going now the Dems are likely to retain control of the Senate; albeit losing a few net seats. Thank goodness for Republican rape gaffes. As for the House... little hope there but maybe a few of the crazier Tea Baggers might get kicked out. Assuming people remember how they tried to hold the country at gunpoint.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#35637: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:51:11 AM

@ Anarchist:

Do you want me to quote Alien?*

On ID Cards: might the Left dislike ID Cards, due to concerns about Civil Liberties and the Government collecting information on people?*

edited 28th Oct '12 10:51:29 AM by Greenmantle

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35638: Oct 28th 2012 at 10:59:45 AM

Newt Gingrich: Richard Mourdock’s Comments Reflect Position of ‘Virtually Every Catholic’ in the U.S.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#35639: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:02:20 AM

I must be one of the virtual exceptions then. Because I sure as hell don't agree with Mourdock's out of date misogyny.

LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35640: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:04:21 AM

[up]Here's hoping you're not alone, sir/ma'am - this is why religious is being treated so wrongly in the most of the rest of the sane world...[awesome]

Same to you, Rationalsanity, minus my religion spat.

@Greenmantle - Dammit...Why do I forget these crucial drawbacks?

edited 28th Oct '12 11:06:30 AM by LostAnarchist

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35641: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:12:15 AM

I still can't understand how they don't realize that you can still be an asshole even if you condemn rape. If you force the mother to have that child you're as terrible as the rapist in my view. Not only are you putting the mother through a pregnancy she didn't want you are also going to leave her with a reminder of this heinous crime. Do you really want to condemn a baby to a lifetime of having a parent that in all likelyhood resents them?

edited 28th Oct '12 11:16:03 AM by Kostya

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35642: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:15:44 AM

Murdock's view is that if you get raped, then that rape resulting in a pregnancy as opposed to not resulting in a pregnancy is god's divine will, because those theists that believe in free will think that's just human agency, but since pregnancy v not-pregnancy is not an issue of human agency, it therefore follows that it's all according to god's plan. I can't really see how you can disagree with that reasoning while still believing god is omnipotent.

It's just an uncomfortable truth about the belief in an all powerful creator entity. Gingrich is just using the "The Problem of Evil" argument without even knowing it.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35643: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:18:38 AM

Ohio GOP says free pizzas at Ohio State were illegal.

That’s because - at least in this case - those pies represented an illegal inducement to vote by supporters of President Barack Obama, state GOP Chairman Robert T. Bennett says in a complaint filed yesterday with the Franklin County Board of Elections.

The sad truth is that they are probably right. There are way too many voters in this country that could be swayed by a piece of pizza.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35644: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:19:42 AM

My general rebuttal to things like that is that if God really wanted you to have the baby then he'd make you reconsider getting an abortion.

I mean if God hates Obama and knows he will bring down this nation then why did he allow him to get elected? Why didn't he just make the wall street meltdown hold off for a few months?

If God hates gays why doesn't he just wave his hand and make them all straight instead of killing thousands of people?

God is either not omnipotent or is a huge jackass according to these people's worldview.

edit: Okay I know they broke the law but that whole thing stinks of a frivolous lawsuit. It honestly sickens me that they get in an uproar over this while also denying early voters their rights.

edited 28th Oct '12 11:22:10 AM by Kostya

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#35645: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:23:02 AM

[up][up] Something similar happened a while back, but I believe the ruling was that, so long as the person handing out gifts is just trying to get people to vote period, not trying to tell them who to vote for, it's not illegal.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35646: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:24:19 AM

If you believe in the free will argument, God isn't going to dictate what you do and don't do.

On the flip side, there's the reverse side that says God doesn't interfere in the world's physics aside through agency which is "divine influence" or something.

So, I don't know. You know me, I'm a pretty hardcore atheist-but I'm seeing the indignation of various Christians and thinking "you know, he kind of has a point-"

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35647: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:24:51 AM

[up][up]Based on what they're saying it sounds like the event was incredibly pro-Obama which means that might not apply. Then again I'd argue that anybody that would go to this thing is probably going to vote for Obama anyway. It doesn't seem like they stopped random people and said "Hey, want free pizza? Just come with us and vote for Obama and you can have it."

[up]Well if God doesn't dictate what people should and shouldn't do then why did he send us Jesus to say what to do and not do? The only logical viewpoints in my mind are that God is either directly responsible for everything (in which case he allows gays and other "evils" to exist and is thus a jackass) or is responsible for nothing barring a few extraordinary circumstances (in which case he apparently doesn't care much about us or is not all powerful). Making certain things his fault (things you are in favor of) while saying others aren't (things you don't like) without any visions or something to prove it just seems incredibly stupid.

edited 28th Oct '12 11:29:06 AM by Kostya

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35648: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:28:28 AM

Lets not turn this into a theological argument.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35649: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:29:59 AM

I blame Gingrich for that. We're just trying to see what holes their argument has which seems like a perfectly reasonable discussion.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35650: Oct 28th 2012 at 11:30:55 AM

Massachusetts Senate race moves to ‘lean Democratic’

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