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LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
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#35601: Oct 28th 2012 at 8:13:42 AM

@Completion:

Thought as much...And I fell for it; Dammit. As for this whole e-voting thing, this is what happens when you let corporate interests infiltrate and count votes, instead of honest people who actually want what's best for the nation, without letting extremes get in the way... But I'm sure I'm wrong on all fronts.

edited 28th Oct '12 8:14:27 AM by LostAnarchist

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35602: Oct 28th 2012 at 8:26:14 AM

There is fraud going on and the GOP is doing it... but its taking the form of voter suppression through I Ds that target certain groups, crippling organizers and early voting, bringing in pseudo poll taxes and misinformation. There's no solid evidence of any widespread ballot tampering.

Of course the former is more than sufficient (worked in Canada anyway) and its easy to pass off to those who get their news from Faux as a valorous attempt to crackdown on practically non-existent ballot level voting fraud.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#35603: Oct 28th 2012 at 8:26:15 AM

Honestly, I'd be in favour of a law that makes it illegal for a voting machine company to have ties to any political party or candidate. It doesn't matter if there's fraud going on right now or not, it's just not proper to have political ties there. It's a conflict of interests.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35604: Oct 28th 2012 at 8:34:21 AM

[up]That's further proof why to me, Romney/Ryan = the 4th Reich in motion! As a black person, my civil, no - SILVER rights are endangered for their BS "bottom line", knowing they're doing shit like this.

edited 28th Oct '12 8:34:32 AM by LostAnarchist

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35605: Oct 28th 2012 at 8:41:36 AM

I don't like them either but pulling Godwin's Law just undermines your point.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35606: Oct 28th 2012 at 8:43:49 AM

I don't know how valid this source is but someone else picked up that story about how Romney's totals are being fixed.

The shocking thing is that according to their analysis Santorum won the primary! Even if Romney wins the election this means his entire administration is illegitimate. They also bring up the point that the GOP is upset about UN people monitoring the election which makes a lot of sense in this light.

edited 28th Oct '12 8:48:35 AM by Kostya

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#35607: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:13:41 AM

I really think we need to put a stop to e-voting. have a federal standard voting punch card of some sort.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35608: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:27:59 AM

If we had I Ds for every person in the country we could use those instead.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#35609: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:29:56 AM

We really should have a national ID besides drivers licenses.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#35610: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:31:29 AM

^They already tried that in the US. REAL ID Act or something like that. As Wikipedia has it, the response was very negative.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#35611: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:32:37 AM

^

...and when it was attempted in Britain, it drew a shitstorm of opposition, from both Left and Right.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#35612: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:34:36 AM

meh. people are stupid.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35613: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:36:03 AM

The election for Giffords was such a landslide for the Democratic candidate that even this tactic of shifting votes around was insufficient to overcome the true vote counts, but it is clear that the fix was in. The tabulation machines were subtracting votes from the Democrat, adding them to the Republican And in race after race in Arizona, the same fix is found going back to 2006.

Vote counts should never go down.

You do not go to the polls and “unvote” for one or more candidates to take votes away from them; you vote for a single candidate, your vote is added to the total they have already received, and their votes increase. Vote counts should either hold steady or go up. When vote counts go down, it indicates fraud. Full stop.

While the premise of this seems correct, I'm not seeing the data of votes going down in the article.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35614: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:36:27 AM

Why do people hate the idea of government issued I Ds? It seems like it would be a convenient thing to have since it could combine a lot of different cards into one.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#35615: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:37:51 AM

Yea. It'd help the "voting fraud" problem and all. it'd make it a lot harder if nothing else.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:38:23 AM by Joesolo

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LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35616: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:39:15 AM

[up] and [up][up] It'll work - if people must have one to vote. That, and if theyare both free and NOT required for every SINGLE thing - must be a Left Behind things with all the resentment toward them, though...

@Rationalsnaity (earlier post): You're right - but I feel I must speak out very strongly on this kind of corruption, which I really cannot apologize for under any circumsatnce when I catch it myself.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:41:23 AM by LostAnarchist

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#35617: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:40:07 AM

There are state I Ds but they're complicated to get in a lot of places. They cost from $3 to $30 and they often take a lot of paperwork to get even if you can. A lot of lower class older Americans were born to midwives and birth certificate laws were laxer then so a lot of times a birth certificate was never filed or it's been lost over the decades. They have social security numbers, but it's impossible for them to get state I Ds or drivers licenses.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#35618: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:42:17 AM

we really need a better system...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35619: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:42:28 AM

[up][up][up]My idea is that it basically contains all the information you need to go about your life in one card. It lists your date of birth, age, sex, photo, etc. and it also says whether or not you're registered to vote, drive, or what medical conditions you have that could require treatment immediately. They could probably even work it out so it works like a credit card too.

[up][up]Well if they're something all citizens should have I feel they should be issued for free upon the age of 16. You'd also be given the choice to register to vote and register for a driver test while you're there.

edited 28th Oct '12 9:44:22 AM by Kostya

LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
Violence Is Necessary!
#35620: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:46:56 AM

[up][up][up]Another reason for this kind of reform to take place, if only to stamp out this kind of disenfranchisement (not fraud), one step at a time... I don't see that happening with these kind of politicians doing this anytime soon (until they are mostly voted out, that is for doing this noise IMHO...).

edited 28th Oct '12 9:48:43 AM by LostAnarchist

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35621: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:47:00 AM

It seems like it would be a terrible idea to have medical information on a card like that.

It seems like such a thing would only be able to get you a vote and maybe alcohol and cigarettes, that's it.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35623: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:48:38 AM

The US REAL ID Act, as far as I can tell, wasn't a failed attempt at a national ID but rather a fairly successful attempt to standardize state-level ID's such that they could all be used for federal purposes. It was and is opposed by many groups who fear it will enable profiling/harassment of people who are in groups the authorities dislike ("You aren't accused of anything, we're just checking your ID to make sure you aren't a bad guy.").

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#35624: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:49:46 AM

[up][up] Medical info wouldn't be necessary.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35625: Oct 28th 2012 at 9:55:12 AM

Why would medical info be a bad thing? If an ambulance comes to get you while you're unconscious and the people don't know whether or not you have allergies to certain treatments it could cause problems.


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