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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#35426: Oct 26th 2012 at 11:42:01 AM

I am sure at least in Texas they'll support capital but oppose abortion. I am sure Wikipedia has a section on this incongruity.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#35427: Oct 26th 2012 at 11:44:10 AM

It's not necessarily an incongruity, though. An unborn child is innocent of crime, while a condemned man has been found guilty of a serious one. It's entirely consistent to think that it's right to execute a man for those crimes and yet think it's wrong to kill an innocent.

A brighter future for a darker age.
Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#35428: Oct 26th 2012 at 11:45:56 AM

Ignoring wrongful convictions, of course....

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#35429: Oct 26th 2012 at 11:46:51 AM

True, which is why some people are against the death penalty: they believe the guilty deserve it, but do not trust our ability to determine guilt.

A brighter future for a darker age.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#35430: Oct 26th 2012 at 11:48:36 AM

Did everyone miss Best Of's post? "I think this thread would be better off without the abortion talk".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#35431: Oct 26th 2012 at 11:50:12 AM

[up][up]Indeed. Some crimes are horrendous, and the rate at which rehabilitation is possible is so low as to make it practically impossible. Yet, death is not a good idea, just in case you made a horrible mistake. <shrugs> Time might provide evidence of a cover-up/ mistake/ further source of defensive evidence.

It's a bit late to pardon somebody when you're saying sorry to the gravestone. tongue

edited 26th Oct '12 11:50:29 AM by Euodiachloris

#35432: Oct 26th 2012 at 12:09:41 PM

they believe the guilty deserve it, but do not trust our ability to determine guilt.

That is my view on the issue.

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#35433: Oct 26th 2012 at 12:11:16 PM

Abortion is one of those issues where you can never really come to a consensus on the issue as the starting axioms are too different.

I mean we could debate why we believe what we believe but then we'd have to start debating why we believe what we believe about our beliefs which would bring us to why we believe what we we believe about- oh no I've gone cross-eyed.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35434: Oct 26th 2012 at 12:26:35 PM

[up]

pretty much this. We all regard ourselves as moral human beings acting on moral, rational beliefs. Its just our morals are too different to find any sort of common ground.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#35435: Oct 26th 2012 at 12:27:31 PM

Quote of Tangent 128:

IOW, it's entirely noble to want to stop the sacrifice of maidens to placate the dragon, but you had better have a plan to slay the dragon.

I really like this analogy. Thanks, dude!

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#35436: Oct 26th 2012 at 1:27:09 PM

Mods (except Best Of), why u contribute to abortion derail.

I am disappoint.sad

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#35437: Oct 26th 2012 at 1:59:19 PM

My view on the death penalty is that not even the guilty deserve it, let alone the innocent we wrongly convict.

My view on abortion is that the fetus isn't a person, yet, but, rather, just a part of the mother, so the mother should have the right to do as she wishes with it.

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#35439: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:03:06 PM

deathpigeon, why u make it worse.sad

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#35440: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:03:53 PM

Chevron gives the largest donation ever, $2.5 million, to a GOP super PAC.

and according to a top Romney advisor, you aren't poor if you have a microwave.

edited 26th Oct '12 2:05:05 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#35441: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:04:09 PM

Going back to an earlier thing about the worries of violence if Obama gets reelected, along with all this voter ID and election monitor hullabaloo...

I will say I am quite worried that an Obama victory will get attributed to "liberal voter fraud", no matter the evidence.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35442: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:05:00 PM

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of course it will. Every libera;l victory ever is attributed to an evil conspiracy to subvert the will of the american people.

Because the very concept that other people might disagree with you for perfectly valid beliefs is anathema to the conservative pundit sphere

edited 26th Oct '12 2:06:58 PM by Midgetsnowman

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#35444: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:09:36 PM

Someone at the Romney campaign needs to brush up on his photoshop skills.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#35445: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:10:18 PM

You can buy a new microwave oven for fifty bucks. You can get a used or clearance one for substantially less. Given that many poor people are working multiple jobs if they can get it, cooking time may be very constrained, and a microwave may be the only reasonable choice for them.

A brighter future for a darker age.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#35446: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:11:04 PM

@RT: If Sandy is like Irene, I'll probably just be more annoyed than fearing for my life. The sentiment is nice, though.

edited 26th Oct '12 2:11:37 PM by Ekuran

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35447: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:11:53 PM

Here's an article with some quite interesting stats. (I found it through a link in an article that was linked previously on this page.)

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35448: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:16:12 PM

Either thats one hell of a botched panorama shot that they uploaded anyhow and someone needs to fire romney's photographer, or thats the worst photoshop job ever.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#35449: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:17:32 PM

Here's something to discuss: how will Sandy affect the election?

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#35450: Oct 26th 2012 at 2:18:39 PM

I have to agree with EG on this one. This exactly why I voted in favor of abolishing the death penalty in California.

I also voted in favor of the prop that fixes the the three strikes law,...which I would support as is if we had more money to afford the current prison population.

@Tangent: Every victory is called fraud by the opposition,even with evidence to the contrary. Don't tell me you haven't seen a "Bush Cheated '04" Bumper Sticker. No Kerry lost fair and square

edited 26th Oct '12 2:22:38 PM by terlwyth


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