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#35326: Oct 26th 2012 at 12:43:40 AM

Actually, the content of the video makes quite sense.

Ideally both should be done with thought and responsebility. Both are marks of age. Neither should be done simply because everyone else does it this way. If it didn't have the outright pro-obama message, but stayed with a "vote responsible" message, it would be better.

But I'm from the other side of the pond, so I 'd chalk the outrage up to Values Dissonance (And start a betting pool which of our parties will steal the Idea for 2013).

Though the outrage comes off as really hypocritical if one party's members talk about 'legitimate rape' and the other is implying only 'responsible virginity losing'.

Whats next? Silver "I will wait with voting" rings until they are old enough to be conservatives?

edited 26th Oct '12 12:55:22 AM by 3of4

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#35327: Oct 26th 2012 at 1:48:50 AM

Palin: Obama Did ‘Shuck and Jive’ On Libya

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#35328: Oct 26th 2012 at 1:54:29 AM

"Oh no, it's not racist. I say it all the time!". So, that means her daughter was raised with racistically charged language...Great example set there!

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#35329: Oct 26th 2012 at 6:06:55 AM

Leave Sarah Palin alone! She's making you all this money!

Is saying racist/sexist things like a rite of passage for conservatives now? "How can you call yourself a real conservative when you've never told a rape victim she asked for it and implied that blacks were lazy?"

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#35330: Oct 26th 2012 at 6:15:47 AM

Wut.

Heh. That's Romney's head campaign manager.

edited 26th Oct '12 6:18:08 AM by Completion

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#35331: Oct 26th 2012 at 6:21:22 AM

The stupid thing isn't that Sarah Palin used the words "shuck and jive", it's that she's spreading the false "administration as good as handed our embassy staff over to terrorists" meme. Don't get distracted people.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
#35332: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:00:41 AM

I'd just like to point out that when Obama makes a silly misstep, you guys quickly see the obvious intent behind it and then brush off the misstep part. Yet when a conservative does the same thing, you can't seem to comprehend any possible intent other than "evil women hating fanatic".

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#35333: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:05:46 AM

[up]Question: where is the inobvious, totally innocent intent behind the whole idea that you need to enjoy the sex to get pregnant, so... there's really no such thing as a rape-baby?

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#35334: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:06:14 AM

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Look, I'm not calling anyone an "Evil Woman Hating Fanatic." What I am saying is that the Rape Squad's comments indicates a complete lack of knowledge, sensitivity, or empathy for rape victims, and women in general.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:06:21 AM by DrTentacles

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#35335: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:08:32 AM

I'd rather have a president who is confused about how many states we have than one who can't open his mouth without insulting half the country.

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#35336: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:08:45 AM

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What I am saying is that the Rape Squad's comments indicates a complete lack of knowledge, sensitivity, or empathy for...women in general.

Even if they are women themselves?*

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Well, I suppose it could be better if he forgets they all exist entirely...

edited 26th Oct '12 7:09:24 AM by Greenmantle

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#35337: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:09:47 AM

Obama's silly missteps aren't said by Obama in person. It's entirely possible he's looking to fire someone in his campaign staff at this moment. Very different from giving opinions like Akin's or Mourdock's.

Obama criticizes Ayn Rand's writings.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#35338: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:10:08 AM

[up][up]I'd argue that Sarah Palin and her ilk are... a special type of woman... tongue

[up]Have I mentioned today that I love that guy? Oh... no: I love Obama, sometimes. I truly do. grin

edited 26th Oct '12 7:11:29 AM by Euodiachloris

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#35339: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:10:43 AM

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I think it's pretty common knowledge that women can be misogynistic. Hell, in a lot of cases, women will be harsher on promiscuous members of their gender than men. Wasn't there a saying that the last thing a women wants to see in a rape trial is an all-female jury?

EDIT: And thank you, Obama, for that. Nice to know you acknowledge that Rand is basically a teenage power fantasy.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:24:12 AM by DrTentacles

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#35340: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:33:21 AM

I have respect for Sarah Palin. She's one of the few conservative women will actively say she is a feminist. She clearly believes that women need to be in power and certainly does not believe that women should be submissive. Just because she's pro-life does not mean that she's not one.

I disagree with her almost entirely politically, but she's got some iron balls and is fierce.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:35:35 AM by Completion

#35341: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:34:48 AM

[up][up][up][up] Akin's or Mourdock's comments aren't said by Romney in person either. And in the case of Mourdock, the obvious intent was that even a baby conceived by rape is still a precious human being created by God, who should in no way be punished for the actions of someone else.

I've said before that I avoid going into the rape/incest debate simply because it's a sensitive issue I have little experience with, but I certainly understand and respect the views of those who do stand up for "rape babies".

edited 26th Oct '12 7:36:25 AM by EdwardsGrizzly

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#35342: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:42:55 AM

Akin's or Mourdock's comments aren't said by Romney in person either.
Which is why Romney withdrew his support of Akin and Mourdock, right?
And in the case of Mourdock, the obvious intent was that even a baby conceived by rape is still a precious human being created by God, who should in no way be punished for the actions of someone else.

I've said before that I avoid going into the rape/incest debate simply because it's a sensitive issue I have little experience with, but I certainly understand and respect the views of those who do stand up for "rape babies".

You can appreciate that the children of rape are still precious human beings without implying that women should be thankful for rape. It is possible to value children without demeaning women. Really. It's sad to see so many politicians that still don't get that.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#35343: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:43:33 AM

@Edwards Grizzly: Romney apparently reinstated his endorsement of Mourdock after briefly retracting it. But we are not blaming Romney for the statements of these paleolithic throwbacks. We are saying that the Republican party willingly encompasses a range of views that includes such people as Akin and Mourdock, only disavowing them (wink wink, nudge nudge) when they make the mistake of saying what they truly believe in a public setting (in other words, blowing their cover). The GOP put these clowns on the science and technology committee, for crying out loud!

Hell, Romney with his wishy-washy "I'm not really a social con after I said I was" stance is a vast improvement over folks like Santorum, who don't even try to fake centrism.

I fully acknowledge the tendency to apologize for or explain away apparent gaffes or misstatements by Democrats while jumping on corresponding flubs by Republicans. There are qualitative differences, though, between comparing voting for the first time to losing one's virginity and saying a rape baby is a gift from God.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:45:13 AM by Fighteer

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#35344: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:47:57 AM

Honestly Murdock's statement make more sense and are less offensive than Akin's. I do not understand why his statement is being treated as as big a gaffe as Akin's.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:48:07 AM by ohsointocats

#35345: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:53:12 AM

[up] This. Because I took 20 seconds to put myself in his shoes and understand what he was actually saying, I entirely support Mourdock's views.

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#35346: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:55:02 AM

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Great. personally, I think he's scum. But that goes with my own morality.

I couldnt care less if he feels Life is a gift from God. Mostly because I figure any god that would gift you with a baby via Rape is one hell of a jackass.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:55:41 AM by Midgetsnowman

#35347: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:55:15 AM

There are qualitative differences, though, between comparing voting for the first time to losing one's virginity and saying a rape baby is a gift from God.

Every baby is a gift from God and to put the adjective "rape" in front of an innocent child who had absolutely nothing to do with that crime is a sickening thing to do.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#35348: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:55:21 AM

I believe it's the fact that it comes off as trivializing rape to some.

Also probably fears of people like Ryan, Akin and Mourdock will sign in legislation that forbids exceptions to incest and rape, if they pass anti-abortion laws.

Every baby is a gift from God
And some people don't want children conceived from the sperm of their rapist. Especially with America's lackluster-as-hell health and social welfare network with regards to maternity care.

And while you think abortions are awful, some people think children convinced from an act of violence is just as awful

edited 26th Oct '12 7:57:55 AM by PotatoesRock

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#35349: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:56:22 AM

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Yeah. And forcing a woman to bear a child who will be a constant reminder of being raped is also pretty sick, but hey, nobody gives a shit about the woman. Or at least, theyll pretend to give a token shit about her while not really caring.

besides. Once again, if this God of yours gifts mothers with children via rape, then fuck god.

edited 26th Oct '12 7:58:49 AM by Midgetsnowman

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#35350: Oct 26th 2012 at 7:58:25 AM

Anti-abortion laws are merely trigger laws. As long as Roe v. Wade and the other rulings after the fact that confirmed its validity stand, nothing will go into place except laws banning certain procedures (only one exists) and indirect regulations on the facility (parental consent, etc.).

Let's not argue about the morality of abortion. If it's about abortion, just the political realities please....

edited 26th Oct '12 8:00:04 AM by Completion


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