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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#352201: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:45:43 PM

@nova92: More just think it's a good idea.

Speaking of Qultists, surprise surprise, Ms. Boeblehead is freaking out about the Mask Mandate on Twitter.

And then tried to claim Biden is a hypocrite for not wearing one when he was basically ALONE at the Lincoln Memorial hours earlier.

[down]Also fair. It's not like you'd just wave a magic wand and they're suddenly good, upstanding people. It'd take years at minimum.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 20th 2021 at 11:48:23 AM

Semper Fi. Semper Paratus. Vigilo Confido.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#352202: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:45:50 PM

Once they end up as activists against the alt-right, then we can see how they'll be treated. But I don't see that as a likely career path for most of them. I imagine most that do end up leaving the movement will simply return to their daily lives of "not caring about politics" or "both sides bad", and let's not pretend that stopping doing harm is the same as actively working to undo the harm you've already committed.

In any case, working to deprogram or offer a hand to ex-Qultists or ex-MAGAs is a lot more plausible on an individual level, just based on human psychology and whatnot - but at the same time, it's no one's responsibility, especially not minorities', to put in the emotional labor and time to painstakingly deprogram people who would rather see them dead.

It's been fun.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#352203: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:47:33 PM

[up]x4 I was referring more to people like the woman in this video

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 20th 2021 at 2:48:22 PM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#352204: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:48:10 PM

CNN: Last-minute Trump appointee at NSA put on administrative leave due to inspector general probe

National Security Agency General Counsel Michael Ellis, who was installed by former President Donald Trump during his final days in office, was put on administrative leave Wednesday because his appointment is now the subject of a Department of Defense inspector general investigation, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.


The last-minute installation of Ellis drew considerable scrutiny because the role of general counsel at the country's largest intelligence agency is a civil service position, not a political role, meaning it could be difficult for the Biden administration to remove Ellis.

The strategy of trying to install political loyalists into career positions is known as "burrowing" in the government.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday demanded former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller "immediately cease" his plans to install the Trump loyalist as the NSA's general counsel. She called the move "highly suspect" and argued it represents a "disturbing disregard" for the country's national security.

"I ask that you immediately cease plans to improperly install Michael Ellis as the new NSA General Counsel," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Miller on Sunday.

The California Democrat also said she was calling for a probe "into the circumstances of the NSA General Counsel selection process" by the department's acting inspector general.

Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#352205: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:49:11 PM

[up]

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 20th 2021 at 11:49:29 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#352206: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:51:42 PM

At the very least, we can at least not defend them by claiming people who don't try to feel sorry for them will become a bunch of Knight Templars.

Not feeling sorry for bad people who did and said bad things is not inappropriate.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#352207: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:51:57 PM

I mean, there are people who used to be white supremacists who reform and go on to make positive contributions to society like creating communities for people like them to heal and find acceptance, or give talks to help people understand what happened to them and how to prevent that from happening to others. Some level of wariness against someone who used to believe in a very hateful ideology is expected but I don't think they're really viewed negatively, if anything just the opposite. I can imagine people who do a similar thing but centered around ex-q membership wouldn't be seen especially badly.

That being said the people who will do that will probably be a small minority and all of this is kind of presumptuous anyway since we're still very early on in this Q fracture. It's hard to say exactly what's gonna happen from here on out.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jan 20th 2021 at 4:55:23 PM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#352208: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:56:02 PM

The Hill: Rep. Andy Biggs' brothers say he is 'at least partially to blame' for Capitol violence

Biggs' brothers, William Biggs and Daniel Biggs, wrote in a letter to the editor to The Arizona Republic that he should be removed from office over what they viewed as his role in inciting the riot.

Biggs isn't the only Arizona Republican facing public scrutiny from his family. Three of Rep. Paul Gosar's (R-Ariz.) siblings previously told the newspaper that they asked Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) to help remove their brother from Congress over his role in the riot.

Gosar's siblings even cut an ad for his opponent in 2018.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#352209: Jan 20th 2021 at 11:58:56 PM

I also think that if we really want these people to change, then we shouldn't coddle them. They need to face the consequences for their shitty behavior.

Going too easy on white supremacists is part of what led to the insurrection in the first place.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#352210: Jan 21st 2021 at 12:00:35 AM

Oh, I agree completely.

This isn't something you wrist-slap someone for. Especially when there's the double standard from all the other protests/riots from the past four years.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 21st 2021 at 12:01:56 PM

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#352211: Jan 21st 2021 at 1:58:00 AM

I'm sure this has been said dozens of times today already, but: as I prepare to go to bed, I gotta say, there is a powerful sense of lightness from knowing that I don't have to worry about waking up to the news that the president has done something else awful or/and stupid overnight.

Nothing is even CLOSE to fixed in practical terms, but wow is the psychological improvement noticeable.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#352212: Jan 21st 2021 at 2:27:05 AM

I look forward to being able to forget who the heck the President is, even for the briefest of moments.

Do not obey in advance.
PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#352213: Jan 21st 2021 at 2:41:07 AM

I think whether or not we let these "waking up" types back into the fold depends on whether or not they're willing to apologize and recant their previous sociopolitical beliefs and do a complete 180, fighting for justice for all Americans instead of fighting to maintain - and indeed strengthen - the country's deeply rooted white supremacy.

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#352214: Jan 21st 2021 at 3:44:43 AM

Sacramento Bee:

The Sacramento City Council took a step Tuesday toward becoming one of the first cities in the country to eliminate traditional single-family zoning.

The change, for which the council unanimously signaled support, would allow houses across the city to contain up to four dwelling units. City officials said the proposal would help the city alleviate its housing crisis, as well as achieve equity goals, by making neighborhoods with high-performing schools, pristine parks and other amenities accessible for families who cannot afford the rising price tags to buy homes there.

Edited by nova92 on Jan 21st 2021 at 3:56:56 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#352215: Jan 21st 2021 at 3:51:42 AM

I was there on 4chan when it was created. The "I was fooled by a con job" is a RIDICULOUS excuse for Qanon. These people had to accept numerous fascist talking points and deliberately believe the overthrow of democracy as well as institution of martial law by DONALD TRUMP was a good thing. Plus that their enemies were pedophile Satanists.

It's an evil ideology that evil people embraced because they wanted to. They wanted to demonize their opponents and did so with the most vile attacks possible. They did so because they wanted to destroy democracy.

Which is a comparison to Nazism that I don't want to make for so many Americans but is one that I think is relevant.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 21st 2021 at 3:58:15 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#352216: Jan 21st 2021 at 4:10:45 AM

[up][up] That's been one of the hardest issues to get around in the housing crises. Glad Sacramento finally mustered the political will to do so.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#352217: Jan 21st 2021 at 4:25:18 AM

[up][up][up] What does that mean? That existing but unoccupied single family homes would be converted to apartments?

Downsizing of sacred Native American lands to be reviewed by Biden administration

I misread "reviewed" as "revived" at first and had a panicked "maybe the people saying he wouldn't be much better than Trump were right" moment. I really really hope that "review" is just the necessary first step needed because they can't be rolled back outright without it.

TommyR01D Since: Feb, 2015
#352218: Jan 21st 2021 at 4:26:08 AM

Contrast how different administrations did their first press briefing:

Biden (20th Jan 2021 with Jen Psaki)

Trump (23rd Jan 2017 with Sean Spicer)

Obama (13th March 2009 with Robert Gibbs)

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#352219: Jan 21st 2021 at 4:35:02 AM

[up][up] I think it's revising zoning laws such that you can't have anywhere that will only allow single-family housing to be built.

The way homes are built in the US is very different from here, so I can't really come to an opinion.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#352220: Jan 21st 2021 at 4:44:36 AM

Yeah my understanding is that the housing law used to be that you could only have a single home on a lot, so apartments were banned. Now you can have up to four homes on a lot, so small apartment buildings are now okay.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#352221: Jan 21st 2021 at 4:45:10 AM

[up][up] Basically that. In many (most?) US cities, there are large areas where you can only build single-family houses. The new change would remove that restriction and allow for up to "four dwelling units" per house.

[nja]'d

Edited by nova92 on Jan 21st 2021 at 4:45:34 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#352222: Jan 21st 2021 at 5:04:27 AM

So that's what Gibbs looks like.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#352223: Jan 21st 2021 at 5:08:53 AM

Ah... The idea of cities having room for new houses is a bit alien to me, maybe because I'm a New Englander and most cities seem full. Most new housing locally is done in fields, and usually Mc Mansions, but I have seen at least one new multi-unit housing complex go up. And, well, a lot of larger houses on big lots in residential areas are now apartments; my first apartment was in one.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#352224: Jan 21st 2021 at 5:20:59 AM

A big part of why you get so many Mc Mansions is because laws like the one just replaced make it so that they’re the only things one can build.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#352225: Jan 21st 2021 at 5:30:51 AM

On the $500,000 of White House cleanup, this reminds me that pretty much from year one we were joking that Trump's successor would have to have it thoroughly cleaned...

Now real life gave him cause to go the extra mile.

Edited by Medinoc on Jan 21st 2021 at 2:31:08 PM

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