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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35126: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:59:40 PM

Regardless, America is a first world nation.

A UN intervention is going to stir up a lot of animosity. I think its best that the UN not get involved.

Plus what's the justification for this intervention again?

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#35127: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:01:15 PM

The fact that there is an organized movement in the state currently involved in voter intimidation.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#35128: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:02:28 PM

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Proof?

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
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#35129: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:04:57 PM

@Swish: Political parties are allowed to have observers within the polling places to ensure that procedures are followed properly. They have to wear a sticker that says it and are not allowed to talk to anyone unless they notice something's up. They cannot campaign - they are there to ensure impartiality in the polling place and are prohibited from looking at ballots unless a person specifically asks them if it looks sketchy. They are allowed because of the Voting Rights Act in 1960s to make sure no African-Americans were troubled when they wanted to vote.

I had two in my polling place; one Libertarian and one Democrat. They were there presumably so that the voter ID thing, which was vetoed in N.C., was not being followed.

That's how it's supposed to work at least. I don't know about other places and how their election observers are.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:12:57 PM by Completion

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#35131: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:08:47 PM

It's a reoccurring problem that they've been struggling with for years. It's why they can't change their voting laws without DOJ confirmation. Here's one from the last election where poll watchers got in voters faces. This isn't something new. It's an ongoing problem in Texas.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:10:59 PM by shimaspawn

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#35132: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:15:15 PM

The US is a first world nation? Ignore the military, and they're suddenly not exactly "first world", ESPECIALLY considering they also harbor extremists (albeit not yet of the violent kind).

#35133: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:21:06 PM

I'm unsure how you're defining "First World", but considering that the term basically means "the US and places like it", I'm pretty sure the US qualifies.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35134: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:22:40 PM

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All nations have extremists.

Show me one that doesn't.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:24:20 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#35135: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:26:32 PM

Switz-

Oh wait, they're rather extreme about their nuetrality.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35136: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:27:38 PM

@Braeburn

For not being a Third world nation, America of late sure seems to act like one politically speaking

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#35137: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:28:36 PM

[up]North Korea doesn't have extremists, because the "extremists" technically cannot be called such because they are the government. Of course, you are being pedantic right now, so I should say instead: The US harbors extremists with an almost complete outline of their ideologies, objectives, and 'membership' and are at the least belligerent to the majority of citizens within the country, which could lead to full violence when certain parameters are met. They also see themselves as being better than the rest of the people in the country, and sees the government as the enemy, i.e. they are the Taliban without being Muslims, although they almost certainly have the firearms I guess, and they both speak English in an almost unintelligible way.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:30:05 PM by entropy13

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#35138: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:29:08 PM

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That doesn't answer my question.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:29:38 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#35139: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:31:16 PM

[up]You mean, "that doesn't satisfy my taste for pedantry."

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35140: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:34:15 PM

@Braeburn: we have voter intimidation. Crazed jingoistic campaigns to convince us all that massive voter fraud is subverting democracy so that people can pass laws that actually DO subvert democracy. Gerrymandering. If anything, we probably DO need UN observers to make sure our elections are fair just like a third world country.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35141: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:35:16 PM

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I mean that doesn't answer my question.

If the best reason for the US being a Third World Country you can give is 'The US harbors extremists with an almost complete outline of their ideologies, objectives, and 'membership' and are at the least belligerent to the majority of citizens within the country, which could lead to full violence when certain parameters are met.' then the UK is a Third World Nation for allowing the British National Party

edited 24th Oct '12 8:35:36 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#35142: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:35:43 PM

It's possible to be an economically prosperous, first world nation while still making a metric shitton of mistakes.

Just sayin'.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35143: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:36:42 PM

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what I'm saying is our election process is becoming hilariously similar to how a third world government keeps itself in power.

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#35144: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:39:19 PM

Does the British National Party see government as the enemy though, i.e. "WE WANT LESS GOV'T!!!", "STOP MEDDLING ON ANYTHING, GOV'T!!!"? Are the BNP also extreme in their religious beliefs and extreme in imposing them on everyone, and is 101% sure that they are always correct in such matters (the 1% is because they are true believers of God)? If they are actually atheists, do the BNP impose atheism on everyone? Are the BNP armed?

And being "allowed" or not is irrelevant, because if you're an extremist group, you don't care if you're "allowed" or not, and therefore CANNOT be a parameter to being an extremist group in the first place.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:44:58 PM by entropy13

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35145: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:45:10 PM

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also do they automatically assume anything they dont personally cause is an evil librul plot to destroy amurcuh and frrdum

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#35146: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:45:35 PM

[up][up] From Wikipedaia

The BNP rejects ID cards as an undesirable representation of the surveillance society.

The BNP will oppose the intrusion of non-British and alien cultural influences which undermine our traditional value systems.

The BNP will enact legislation to ensure that pensions are eligible only to Britons and those who have fully paid into the system.

BNP's Founder John Tyndall has proclaimed: The "Mein Kampf is my bible"

The BNP will abolish political correctness from the police service in favour of real crime fighting.

The BNP will introduce formal bank holidays for all of our nations’ patron saints

The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service.

The BNP will repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights.

The BNP will ensure that appropriate areas of public life, including school assemblies, are based on a commitment to the values of traditional Western Christianity, as a benchmark for a decent and civilised society.

A BNP government would tackle the national debt problem by cutting expenditure on all projects which they think do not serve British interests.

If that's not extremist I don't know what is.

edited 24th Oct '12 9:00:35 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#35147: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:49:11 PM

And don't even get me started on the UK Independence Party.

edited 24th Oct '12 8:49:24 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#35148: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:07:59 PM

Ok, when did first/second/third world status stop being about economic development?

The BNP is a load of awful, right-wing nationalist crap, just like the Republican party. I don't see the point of comparing the two. Neither party is related to their statuses as highly developed first world countries, anyways.

I also don't really get how our prosperity has anything to do with whether or not oversight from the U.N. in our elections is needed. Or, for that matter, why the reactions of some conspiracy theorists would be more important than the question of whether or not this is a necessary measure to combat voter intimidation.

edited 24th Oct '12 9:10:07 PM by HilarityEnsues

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#35149: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:08:39 PM

Seriously, guys. Don't make up for the lack of stupid conservatives around here by indulging in some stupid liberalism. The U.S. is a first world nation. Look up the term, do some reading, and if you honestly still think this argument is worth pursuing then we can have it in another thread.

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#35150: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:09:33 PM

Hilarity: It's never been about economic development. 1st world was a signifier of the US and its allies, 2nd world for the USSR and its allies, and 3rd world for everyone else. It's just become one over time.

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