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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#35101: Oct 24th 2012 at 5:51:43 PM

Assuming that the Log Cabin Republicans are fiscally conservative, the fact they STILL support Romney, someone who's going to increase the debt with lower tax cuts and high defense spending, is also contradicting.

You do realize that this applies to like, all those Republicans and self-described conservatives out there who crow about the debt but support Romney?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35102: Oct 24th 2012 at 5:52:39 PM

They don't think he'll raise the debt though. Log Cabin Republicans should know Romney isn't going to help LGBT rights yet they support him anyway.

LostAnarchist Violence Is Necessary! from Neo Arcadia Itself Since: Sep, 2011
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#35103: Oct 24th 2012 at 5:53:09 PM

[up]At what you said, earlier... Those are those people gov't doesn't want to help anymore - or definitely won't if anymore Repugs get into power at this point. They need a major transfusinon of aid, knowledge, and common sense needle-shot into them...

As for those Log Cabin guys, they ain't nothing but hypocrites like most of the rookie idiots hindering progress like the Tea Party is, IMHO... Hypocrites and cowards, the whole lot of them.

edited 24th Oct '12 5:55:18 PM by LostAnarchist

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#35104: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:02:05 PM

Lost Anarchist, calm your language or take an enforced break.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35105: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:04:16 PM

Obama says he’ll renew pursuit of ‘grand bargain,’ offering specifics on agenda.

What's the Grand Bargain again?

edited 24th Oct '12 6:40:23 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#35106: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:37:20 PM

The Grand Bargain is basically a budget that will make cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security in exchange for whatever meager revenue increases the Republicans will allow. Right now, that amount is literally none at all, and that is the only thing keeping it from passing right now. I only wish I was kidding about that.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35107: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:40:58 PM

[up] Thanks for the info.

International vote monitors warn Texas: Don't mess with us

And the feud between Texas and the international community continues. tongue

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#35108: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:42:37 PM

I still haven't heard an apology from Texas about George Bush. Whether they want to apologise for the senior or the junior first, I don't really care; but I do want to hear it.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35109: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:43:43 PM

[up]

In fairness, both Bushes were actually born in New England (Bush Sr. was born in Massachusetts and Bush Jr. was born in Connecticut) .

edited 24th Oct '12 6:48:11 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#35110: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:44:16 PM

Unfortunately, there's a part of the Texan image that some people want to project, that amounts basically to showing everyone the middle finger and doing so proudly.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35111: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:03:58 PM

Exactly what the fuck do we owe an apology for them for? The first one didn't even run for office in Texas, and the vast majority of us had nothing to do with either of them running for president. And Texas alone is not to blame for Bush junior getting into office a second time.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35112: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:04:09 PM

I find the logic of republicans in texas hilarious.

Voter Fraud exists! Lets legislate to stop it!

  • democrats bring in impartial onservers to stop voter fraud and intimindation"

Voter Fraud! The UN is a secret liberal plot!

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#35113: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:04:29 PM

I would crack up if Obama sent in the National Guard to protect electoral observers. It could cost him the election and would be seen as the confirmation of 80% of the conspiracy theories about him, but it would be so funny.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35114: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:07:59 PM

[up]

The fact the UN alone came in is probably "proof" of half of those conspiracies because these people cant tell that shit like True the Vote /IS/ Voter Intimidation and Fraud.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#35115: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:09:27 PM

... Wait. I'm not seeing the issue.

It's against the law, in most states, to go within 100 feet of a polling place if you have no intention of voting in that polling place and you aren't working in said polling place.

If any organization, even one affiliated with the UN, tries to violate the law of a state, without the permission of the state, it's going to be prosecuted.

What's most amusing to me is that the OSCE seems to think that they would be able to do anything to punish Texas(or the United States) when they do get arrested for violating said law(assuming they do)...

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#35116: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:09:30 PM

we should just have a federal group that heads up an anti-voter fraud/ anti-voter intimidation thing. I'm not sure of the term for it, but basically a few fed officers in charge of groups of volunteers.

edited 24th Oct '12 7:10:11 PM by Joesolo

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35117: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:11:37 PM

[up]

wouldnt be politically feasible. Everyone would assume it was an evil obama plot to fix the vote in his favor.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#35118: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:12:17 PM

Ace of Spades: Oh. I suppose Junior just liked to associate himself with Texas so much that it stuck. Anyway, I'm sure you realise that I'm just following a basic joke formula here, like all the jokes about how Canada should apologise for Celine Dion or Ireland should apologise for Riverdance, etc.

edited 24th Oct '12 7:13:06 PM by BestOf

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#35119: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:13:58 PM

WAIT WHAT! It's illegal for people who aren’t going to vote to be within 100ft of polling places? Also how the hell does a law like that work in practise? Where are your polling places? Do people have to walk in a big circle to avoid getting arrested on their way to get some milk?

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#35120: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:15:07 PM

The Irish were the ones responsible for Riverdance? I've been blaming the Scottish for years.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35121: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:20:35 PM

@Silas: That's not actually a law, they're just waving around threats at people who've probably been monitoring for voter intimidation and fraud in places far more dangerous than the US, and who are therefor not at all intimidated by jail time.

@Best of: I'm still not sure I get that, considering that it was in the context of a thread where people like to pile on Texas and occasionally make serious suggestions that my state should secede, and that we hadn't even previously mentioned those other things at all in this thread. It's not like I'm unaware of the stupid shit that happens here, but it's not like it's unique to this state.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35122: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:21:46 PM

[up][up]I'm guessing they paraphrased. It likely says you aren't supposed to loiter around them unless you intend to vote.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#35123: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:32:42 PM

Well, I explained the joke already, so I don't know what else I can do. It's just one of those standard jokes with dozens of variations that you bump into every now and again. You just change the place and the thing that requires an apology.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#35124: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:32:42 PM

That's not actually a law, they're just waving around threats at people who've probably been monitoring for voter intimidation and fraud in places far more dangerous than the US, and who are therefor not at all intimidated by jail time.

Here's a list the voting laws for each individual state...

Every single state has laws prohibiting various actions(like loitering) within an X foot radius of polling places. Texas, specifically, states this:

Sec. 61.003. ELECTIONEERING AND LOITERING NEAR POLLING PLACE PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if, during the voting period and within 100 feet of an outside door through which a voter may enter the building in which a polling place is located, the person:

(1) loiters; or

(2) electioneers for or against any candidate, measure, or political party.

(b) In this section, "voting period" means the period beginning when the polls open for voting and ending when the polls close or the last voter has voted, whichever is later.

(c) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

Now, it should be pointed out that a Class C misdemeanor is only a $500 fine. But they'd still be jailed for a day(or two) until their arraignment...

edited 24th Oct '12 7:33:16 PM by Swish

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#35125: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:54:52 PM

A UN whatever they call themselves isn't electioneering, and really not even loitering. (Not to mention that you can claim that of people who hang around for a while waiting for someone to pick them up after they're done.)

Still, compared the violence that's erupted in other places, all of that is very mild and I don't think people professionally trained to watch out for fraud and intimidation are going to be scared off by any of that. And they would very definitely be able to bring media attention to it.


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