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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#34976: Oct 24th 2012 at 6:39:23 AM

If this is true, I'm sure you'll agree that that is a much more dire national crisis than the President having sex with someone else than his wife.
It's very distressing and frankly bullshit. Unfortunately the people leading the charge of vote denial (Sub-Divisions of the Republican Party) are also arguing essentially in bad faith, that there MUST be a vast and insidious voting fraud conspiracy if even a single case of voter fraud is found, and that by denying people their voting rights, they are in fact protecting the system and the country from fraudulent results.

(And it doesn't help that it's being aggravated by wealthy citizens who are trying to prevent shifts in policy due to an increasing number of ethnic minorities who ain't from Europe.)

I don't know what to do, to be honest, other than to wait.

If his goal is to claim that Obama has in fact been divorced at least once in his life, exactly which 1980 candidate would that make him resemble?
Hilariously, Reagan. He and his first wife divorced. Also the argument is that Michelle has considered leaving her husband at some point. And that it must be for SOME DARK SINISTER REASON (the more outlandish reasons are that Obama's a drug-dealing Malcolm X-obsessed homosexual, or. Something. The conspiracy theories get a bit eye cross inducing.)

edited 24th Oct '12 6:44:21 AM by PotatoesRock

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#34977: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:19:41 AM

Goode did have one thing right for sure,and another thing definitely more admirable than Romney or any of the current GOP.

Goode hit the nose on term limits in the Senate,really that's exactly what has to be done if anything useful can come out.

Although I agree with Stein and Anderson the most,I'd vote for Johnson because he'd be the best mediator between the conservatives and liberals in Congress. Stein and Anderson would pretty much end up exactly like the Obama they're calling out. Johnson has fewer things to lose from the current GOP in power

People like Stein or Anderson would be best in Congress

I know I'm late to this,but I just woke up after turning in right after the debate. This was the earliest I could respond.

edited 24th Oct '12 7:20:33 AM by terlwyth

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#34978: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:26:38 AM

Honestly, the Congressional term limits thing has come up before, and I'm going to say again what I've said before: I think it's a much worse idea than it sounds. Essentially you're getting rid of the "entrenched" power of long-term Senators and Representatives in favor of the entrenched power of lobbyists and campaign funders; it's been shown (I can't remember where) that the newer members of the current Congress tend to be the most beholden to "special interests" because they don't have the established identity to fundraise from whomever they'd like.

vanthebaron Mystical Monkey Master from Carlyle, Il Since: Sep, 2010
Mystical Monkey Master
#34979: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:29:18 AM

third party candidates only sever to shorten the gap between the 2 parties, nowadays they have no chance of winning.

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#34980: Oct 24th 2012 at 7:46:46 AM

[up][up]But they wouldn't need to worry about identity if no Senator or Rep didn't stay long enough to gain a reputation. This'd completely destroy much of the need to cave to "special interests" just make a name.

And we wouldn't be stuck with them doing anything to stay all the time in the seat. Or at least there'd be far fewer of them being hyper-cynic R-Money like politicians from the get go.

Really that's what need in elections,candidates that promise if all other promises fail,they won't run again.

Of course it won't ever happen.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#34981: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:00:24 AM

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It doesnt really work like that though. You cant get anything done in poltiics without money and influence. So all we'd be doing is forcing a perpetual crew of newbies to desperately try to figure out how to work within a political situation with others.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#34982: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:02:20 AM

I just... arg. I guess no one actually sees that as a problem.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#34983: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:08:18 AM

Politics is a game of building influence. It's about getting your hands in the biggest pies. It's about selling your word to the highest bidder consistent with whatever principles you adhere to. It's a very cynical process, but the advantage of sticking in it for a long time is that you gain seniority and a corresponding network of favors/quid pro quos that you can call on to get stuff done.

The 2010 interim elections could be seen as a grand experiment in dumping a bunch of newcomers into the system, and look where it got us. They formed a coalition to shout down anything that didn't match their particular worldview, and now here we are two years later with virtually nothing useful having gotten done.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#34984: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:38:02 AM

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This. if anything,the Tea Party proved exactly why incumbents are a good thing. When you have people who care more about ideology and moral grandstands than a functioning government, you get utter gridlock.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#34985: Oct 24th 2012 at 8:58:25 AM

@Best Of: BRB, moving to Finland

Re: Term Limits: Isn't a lot of the counter argument that they increase the incentives to take everything you can and run?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#34986: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:00:46 AM

The main issue with term limits is that they are redundant. And usually only treat harmless symptoms instead of actual problems.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#34987: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:08:08 AM

@Cats: You're wrong... I'm horrified that people have to go to such lengths to get healthcare. sad

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#34988: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:18:49 AM

yeah, there's a reason the "Running Joke" in the states is If you want to be able to afford your medical bills, Don't Get Sick

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#34989: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:23:57 AM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82810.html?hp=l2 So this appears to be Trump's BIG BOMB SHELL:

"Donald Trump said on Wednesday that if President Obama releases his college records and his passport application, the businessman will give a $5 million check to a charity of Obama’s choosing."

Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#34990: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:32:13 AM

Wow, what a non-story.

A brighter future for a darker age.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#34991: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:33:04 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html

And in the news for actual stories. (The White House apparently knew of extremist elements 2 hours after the attacks in Bengzhai. Republicans are bashing Obama on the matter.)

edited 24th Oct '12 9:33:43 AM by PotatoesRock

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#34992: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:33:24 AM

"Donald Trump said on Wednesday that if President Obama releases his college records and his passport application, the businessman will give a $5 million check to a charity of Obama’s choosing."

Well that should be easy, right? I'm assuming that his college grades are already publicly known, so there shouldn't be any surprises there.

If I were Obama, I'd publish the documents and ask them if my campaign counts as a charity.

edited 24th Oct '12 9:33:48 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#34993: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:36:30 AM

Publish the documents and say "I don't dictate to my fellow Americans how to spend their disposable income. I haven't since I cut taxes on the middle class, and I haven't when I preserved options in the Affordable Care Act to more safely keep the insurance you already have while limiting their ability to deny you coverage for unfair reasons. Spend your five million wherever you wish, Mr. Trump."

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#34994: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:38:25 AM

Look, if I can take $5 million from Donald Trump in a morally and legally acceptable way, I will do it. He'll just destroy the world some more if he keeps the money. He'll probably buy some more surgeries to replace his skin with orange peels.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#34995: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:41:09 AM

How much is making Trump look like more of a jackass in front of the American public worth to you? I bet Obama could lower his net worth by more than 5 million if that response goes viral and cuts into his name-brand advertising. Some yuppies don't want to live in a million dollar condo named after the guy President Obama humiliated.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#34996: Oct 24th 2012 at 9:55:49 AM

I'm not sure if Trump can actually be damaged any more than the flogging he got at the White House Press Correspondents' Dinner last year. People who still think highly of him after that and the birther fiasco aren't going to be swayed by anything.

edited 24th Oct '12 9:56:05 AM by BestOf

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#34997: Oct 24th 2012 at 10:02:48 AM

If I were Obama, I would do it and make him donate the money to lowering the deficit. Or planned Parenthood, but I have a feeling that would be wildly unpopular to some.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#34998: Oct 24th 2012 at 10:04:12 AM

Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously anymore, or is he just a wellspring of comedy?

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#34999: Oct 24th 2012 at 10:07:47 AM

If I were Obama, I would do it and make him donate the money to lowering the deficit.
Watch Republicans, especially Scott Walker Republicans, criticize Obama for "needing to take money that's not his to balance the budget".

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#35000: Oct 24th 2012 at 10:08:18 AM

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he's onkly taken seriously by nutjobs who operate on the faulty logic that running a business makes you an expert on how to create jobs.

(which I've even pointed out to my friends who use it as such. Just because I know , say, the carpet market doesnt mean I would know shit about running a successful carpentry business. or know how they need to handle hiring)

edited 24th Oct '12 10:11:04 AM by Midgetsnowman


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