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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#34651: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:28:17 PM

Nothing wrong with calling someone a liar if you can back it up.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#34652: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:28:20 PM

The entire drone strike program has killed around 2000 people. Do you seriously believe going to war with Pakistan would kill fewer people?

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#34653: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:28:44 PM

Both offer collateral damage. I see no difference.

I take it you don't see any difference between a puddle and an ocean either?

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#34654: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:29:11 PM

A puddle is an ocean to an ant.

Hiding in your house while soldiers are busting down your door = invasion.

Hiding in your room while a missile comes from the air and destroys your house = drone strikes.

edited 22nd Oct '12 7:29:42 PM by Serocco

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#34655: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:29:18 PM

2000 (most who were not civilians) as opposed to a hundreds of thousands of innocents in Iraq. Drones aren't great but they can't be compared to a full invasion.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#34656: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:29:25 PM

Besides if you live in countries like Afghanistan, every day is spent in fear.

Oh, well. If you can't beat 'em..

Look, you know as well as I do that given a toss-up between us and the Taliban, the locals will pick the Taliban. We're not offering anything new or productive. Hell, we don't even care if they live or die.

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#34657: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:29:36 PM

Sure there is, the drone doesn't have to worry about being killed.

GearLeader from Dota Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#34658: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:29:39 PM

Lets just send legions of drones, to Pakistan.

And we come to the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkI1sTDoEg
darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#34659: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:29:43 PM

"I think we all love teachers". Bob, you're the best.

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#34660: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:30:22 PM

Mitt: "I love teachers, too, particularly the blind ones.

(WHAM!)

Bwaaaaa hah ha ha!!"

edited 22nd Oct '12 7:30:31 PM by johnnyfog

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#34662: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:30:35 PM

"I love teachers"

My ass Romney. My Ass.

I'm baaaaaaack
Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34663: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:30:51 PM

Hail and Glory unto you, CEO Romney, Lord and Plutocrat of all the Americas. You wield the Sacred Powers of Lying, Flip-floppery, and Bullheadedness. Long may you reign.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#34664: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:31:08 PM

Look, you know as well as I do that given a toss-up between us and the Taliban, the locals will pick the Taliban. We're not offering anything new or productive. Hell, we don't even care if they live or die.

Actually, the majority don't like the Taliban, they just hate us even more. Remember the girl who got shot in Pakistan recently for criticizing the Taliban?

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#34665: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:31:12 PM

Little civilian casualties?

False. Double false.

It's my biggest issue with Obama. At least hes being paid by the lobbyists to keep away from the banks. Here, he has no excuse.

edited 22nd Oct '12 7:32:04 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#34666: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:31:35 PM

I don't approve of drone strikes killing civilians.

However, when it comes to combatants, it's simply the next evolution of warfare. Complaining about it is like complaining about how the gun has depersonalized warfare. It's true, but it's not an effect argument. Honestly, any development in tech that means less American Soldiers killed, and more terrorists dead, I'll support.

I can't condone the death of civilians, nor can I dismiss them as collateral damage. However, I'm not certain drones cause more civilian deaths than any other form of warfare.

War is ugly. Often, the best we can do is make it less ugly for our soldiers.

edited 22nd Oct '12 7:32:10 PM by DrTentacles

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#34668: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:32:11 PM

Dr. Tentacles hit it on the head.

GearLeader from Dota Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#34671: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:32:17 PM

Mitt: "I love teachers, too, particularly the blind ones.

I don't get it.

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mailedbypostman Since: May, 2010
#34672: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:32:26 PM

Drones might be numerically advantaged to an invasion, but try telling that to people as we bomb weddings, funerals, and the emergency response efforts that show up afterwards.

It's totally crap, but Mitt pretty much conceded the point so there's no real other option now.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#34673: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:33:06 PM

Funerals are bombed by drones.

Hell, at times, after initial attacks on people, the drones murder the people who respond to that (as in, try to check if their friends are still alive).

Our soldiers are trained to make war hell. Why should we feel more concerned over their lives when they're the ones ruining others?

You could argue that in favor of drones, but they're even worse - they're machines desifned for war. That's their only purpose.

edited 22nd Oct '12 7:34:23 PM by Serocco

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#34674: Oct 22nd 2012 at 7:34:03 PM

And thats different from a squad attacking how?

NoName999 Since: May, 2011

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