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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Both offer collateral damage. I see no difference.
I take it you don't see any difference between a puddle and an ocean either?
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayOh, well. If you can't beat 'em..
Look, you know as well as I do that given a toss-up between us and the Taliban, the locals will pick the Taliban. We're not offering anything new or productive. Hell, we don't even care if they live or die.
I'm a skeptical squirrelLets just send legions of drones, to Pakistan.
And we come to the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkI1sTDoEgLook, you know as well as I do that given a toss-up between us and the Taliban, the locals will pick the Taliban. We're not offering anything new or productive. Hell, we don't even care if they live or die.
Actually, the majority don't like the Taliban, they just hate us even more. Remember the girl who got shot in Pakistan recently for criticizing the Taliban?
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayLittle civilian casualties?
It's my biggest issue with Obama. At least hes being paid by the lobbyists to keep away from the banks. Here, he has no excuse.
edited 22nd Oct '12 7:32:04 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.I don't approve of drone strikes killing civilians.
However, when it comes to combatants, it's simply the next evolution of warfare. Complaining about it is like complaining about how the gun has depersonalized warfare. It's true, but it's not an effect argument. Honestly, any development in tech that means less American Soldiers killed, and more terrorists dead, I'll support.
I can't condone the death of civilians, nor can I dismiss them as collateral damage. However, I'm not certain drones cause more civilian deaths than any other form of warfare.
War is ugly. Often, the best we can do is make it less ugly for our soldiers.
edited 22nd Oct '12 7:32:10 PM by DrTentacles
Mitt: "I love teachers, too, particularly the blind ones.
I don't get it.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayFunerals are bombed by drones.
Hell, at times, after initial attacks on people, the drones murder the people who respond to that (as in, try to check if their friends are still alive).
Our soldiers are trained to make war hell. Why should we feel more concerned over their lives when they're the ones ruining others?
You could argue that in favor of drones, but they're even worse - they're machines desifned for war. That's their only purpose.
edited 22nd Oct '12 7:34:23 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.

Nothing wrong with calling someone a liar if you can back it up.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.