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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Also what would happen if the GOP collapses, would America become one party or or would some other party take its place
Also also does anyone else get the feeling that Biden resigning from the presidency is pretty much an inevitability
I mean being old is one thing but think about it from a pragmatic standpoint, if Biden resigns in Harris steps up to become president then the honor of having our first female president is taken from the Republicans.
Taichibana-san are you really a traitor?On the $2000 thing, the house vote on it as a stand-alone is today, [1]
It'd be one thing if Biden died, that's literally what the Vice-President is there for, but to elect one person into the office, only for them to resign for the express purpose is putting another person into the job they were chosen for is exactly the kind of disrespect towards democracy and the democratic process Biden seems keen on avoiding and, speaking purely for myself, is Conspiracy Theory territory.
Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 27th 2020 at 10:33:49 AM
Your right that is pretty dumb and I was half-joking that largely stemmed from the joke of harris being an opportunist
But joe is up there in age and I do see a possibility of him resigning during a second term due to declining health (no I don't think he has dimentia-yet) I mean if he runs for two full terms he'll be 86 by the time he leaves office
Taichibana-san are you really a traitor?I can't help thinking too big a deal is made of the age thing. With the exception of Obama and Kennedy, haven't the majority of presidents been at least in their sixties?
I'm not sure if that's ever been confirmed. If so, however, that would just mean Harris has to run in her own right, assuming she has interest in doing so.
On the subject of "if even they're saying it...", an op/ed from the New York Post in which...
The Post says: Give it up, Mr. President — for your sake and the nation’s
https://nypost.com/2020/12/27/give-it-up-mr-president-for-your-sake-and-the-nations/
We’re one week away from an enormously important moment for the next four years of our country.
On Jan. 5, two runoff races in Georgia will determine which party will control the Senate — whether Joe Biden will have a rubber stamp or a much-needed check on his agenda.
Unfortunately, you’re obsessed with the next day, Jan. 6, when Congress will, in a pro forma action, certify the Electoral College vote. You have tweeted that, as long as Republicans have “courage,” they can overturn the results and give you four more years in office.
In other words, you’re cheering for an undemocratic coup.
You had every right to investigate the election. But let’s be clear: Those efforts have found nothing. To take just two examples: Your campaign paid $3 million for a recount in two Wisconsin counties, and you lost by 87 more votes. Georgia did two recounts of the state, each time affirming Biden’s win. These ballots were counted by hand, which alone debunks the claims of a Venezuelan vote-manipulating Kraken conspiracy.
Sidney Powell is a crazy person. Michael Flynn suggesting martial law is tantamount to treason. It is shameful.
We understand, Mr. President, that you’re angry that you lost. But to continue down this road is ruinous. We offer this as a newspaper that endorsed you, that supported you: If you want to cement your influence, even set the stage for a future return, you must channel your fury into something more productive.
Stop thinking about Jan. 6. Start thinking about Jan. 5.
If Republicans David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler win, they will prevent Biden from rolling back what you have accomplished. A Republican Senate can pressure Biden against returning to the old, failed Iran deal, can stop him from throwing open our southern border, will prevent him from packing the court.
Now imagine a government controlled by your nemeses — Nancy Pelosi in the House, Chuck Schumer in the Senate, Joe Biden in the White House. How high will taxes go? How many of your initiatives will be strangled? And, on a personal note, do you think they won’t spend the next four years torturing you with baseless hearings and investigations?
Consider this. You came out of nowhere to win the presidency. Not an elected official, not a lawyer, not beholden to any particular faction of the swamp. You took on the elites and the media who had long lost touch with average working people. You changed politics, which is something few in American history can say.
If Georgia falls, all that is threatened. You will leave your party out of power, less likely to listen to what you have to say or to capitalize on your successes, such as expanding the Hispanic voting bloc for the GOP.
Democrats will try to write you off as a one-term aberration and, frankly, you’re helping them do it. The King Lear of Mar-a-Lago, ranting about the corruption of the world.
Securing the Senate means securing your legacy. You should use your considerable charm and influence to support the Georgia candidates, mobilizing your voters for them. Focus on their success, not your own grievances, as we head into the final week.
If you insist on spending your final days in office threatening to burn it all down, that will be how you are remembered. Not as a revolutionary, but as the anarchist holding the match.
Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 27th 2020 at 10:57:36 AM
I dunno who's hating on Buttigieg that much but a major failing of his is his pretty poor handling of racial justice as Mayor, leading South Bend's black population to sour on him hard. He hasn't really answered for that during his presidential run, either.
i'm tired, my friendThe majority of presidents have been in their 50's when elected.
40's - 8 Presidents (ex. Ulysses S Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, Barack Obama)
50's - 24 Presidents (ex. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, FDR)
60's - 11 Presidents (ex. Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, Harry S Truman)
70's - 2 Presidents (ex. Trump and Biden)
If Biden waited until January 2024 to decide if or if not he was running then I'd nominate him for sainthood.
The Democratic primary effectively began in 2018(!) with Warren declaring her candidacy. Dear lord was that an exhausting 18 months. If Biden, by making it clear that he will decide in 2024 and shoots down all speculation ahead of that date manages to reduce the primary season to a far more palatable six months then I would be eternally grateful.
(I'm being sarcastic but the Unicorn Brigade probably believes this unironically) But how will we be able to choose our next Socialist Messiah if the Democratic Party doesn't spend two years at war with itself and ripping each of its candidates apart on the national stage? (/sarcasmtome)
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.Regardless of whether or not Biden has made it official (and I'm pretty sure he has at least hinted at not running for a second term), I think it is likely that he won't anyway, due to his age. Especially not if his age starts declining, which is a very real possibility.
And no, he won't just resign to give the presidency to Harris. That is conspiracy mongering to make the Democrats look just as undemocratic and unscrupulous as the Republicans.
And if the GOP collapsed, the most likely scenario would be the Democrats splitting up and forming two parties. Arguably that split is already there, and the only reason the Dems are still one party is that the Republicans are still in power.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesFor the Dems to split the GOP would need to collapse beyond just being irrelevant nationally, it would have to collapse to a size smaller than half that of the Democratic Party.
Dems can only afford to split in a situation where Republicans get about 20% of the vote, if Republicans are getting 30% of the vote a split risks allowing the Republican Party to start winning again.
The Democrat-Republican party only split when the Federalists got 30% in 1816, didn’t run in 1820, and then Democrat-Republicans ran multiple same-party candidates in 1824. Following that 1828 and 1832 saw the National-Republican party running, 1836 saw the Whig party run four candidates at once, and it’s only in 1840 that the Whig vs Democrat system emerged.
So for Dems to split they’d need the Republican Party to collapse such that it doesn’t run a presidential candidate in an election, only then would they feel safe.
Republicans aren’t going to fail to run a candidate until the party has truly collapsed, not just become a party unable to win.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranYeah because of campaign finance and ballot-access laws it’s very hard to establish a third-party in the US from the ground up, it’s part of why the Libertarian and Green parties keep running presidential candidates, they need the money from having a national presence and they get easier ballot access for local races if they run a presidential candidate (also lots of them have big egos and want to run on a national stage).
Because of that you won’t see splits at a local level outside of very rare cases.
Also there’s only four place in the US where Trump got less than half the votes Biden did, with only one of those places being somewhere he got less than 30% of the vote.
So let’s go though the four places.
- Maryland currently has a Republican Governor, so Dems can’t afford to split there.
- Vermont just re-elected a Republican Governor, so Dems can’t afford to split there (and the Vermont Progressive Party already exists and will probably stop running joint-candidates with the Dems as soon as it’s viable).
- Massachusetts has a Republican Governor, so Dems can’t afford to split there.
- DC has already effectively split, with DC Statehood Green having been the 2nd place party for the 2018 Mayoral election and Republicans not having run a candidate for mayor since 2006.
So out of the four states where Dem had a 2-1 advantage against Republicans in 2020, 3 have Republican governors who are anti-Trump and probably enabled Republicans in the state to vote for Biden, the last one is DC, where the Republican Party is non-existent.
Edited by Silasw on Dec 28th 2020 at 1:25:03 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

I'm not surprised by the copyright bill passing. A lot of Democrats in addition to Republicans support stronger copyright laws to avoid piracy (but they take it way too far).
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