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#344826: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:21:46 PM

@charles

People also claim wi-fi gives cancer so there's that.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#344827: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:28:23 PM

Got a notice saying Trump's going to sign the Covid relief bill after all. The backlash from so many people losing their relief and unemployment aid rattled him, it seems.

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#344828: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:29:05 PM

Incidentally, it's looking like there will be a government shutdown tomorrow; Trump has yet to sign the omnibus spending + COVID relief bill that would stop the shutdown, and unfortunately he can effectively pocket veto any other legislation that the current Congress would pass.

(In theory Trump could be impeached and removed from office so that Pence could sign legislation, in practice I can't imagine enough Republicans going along with that for it to work.)

Edit: [up] [nja] And apparently he's might actually be doing something, but I'll believe it when it actually happens.

Edited by thok on Dec 27th 2020 at 7:30:40 AM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#344829: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:32:02 PM

Congress is going to stay in session until the bill passes, they've said. No pocket veto there.

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#344830: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:46:17 PM

The bomber being a conspiracy nut fixated on 5G does fit most of the evidence. I'll be very curious to find out how this guy managed to build a car bomb without anyone noticing.

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#344831: Dec 27th 2020 at 4:50:01 PM

[up][up] The current Congress can't stop a pocket veto any more; the current session of Congress ends on January 3rd, which is less than ten days from now. (That new Congress could deal with a pocket veto, but it would mean that we'd have to wait until January 13 for legislation in that way.)

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#344832: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:08:18 PM

Key words there are ten days from now. When did the ten day limit for the pocket veto officially begin?

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 27th 2020 at 5:08:40 AM

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#344833: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:09:48 PM

[up] For any new legislation, it's when the legislation is signed. He can't pocket veto the current bill we're waiting on him to sign, but he can pocket veto any other legislation sent to him before the new Congress takes session.

Edited by thok on Dec 27th 2020 at 8:14:22 AM

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#344834: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:25:05 PM

Yeah which is the key point, he can’t pocket veto the current bill and seems unwilling to do a proper veto, so he’s going to sign it.

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#344836: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:44:44 PM

I'm a bit confused; is this the one with $600 or $2,000?

Edited by LSBK on Dec 27th 2020 at 8:11:10 AM

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#344837: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:47:17 PM

$600. The $2000 bit never passed the House.

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#344838: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:47:35 PM

600, a 2000 one was never passed.

[up] I think it passed the House (though not be unanimous consent as was initially tried) but never got a vote in the Senate.

Edited by Silasw on Dec 27th 2020 at 1:48:33 PM

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#344839: Dec 27th 2020 at 5:47:59 PM

Its probably the $2000 one, frustratingly most of the articles I've looked at don't clarify this detail

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 27th 2020 at 1:48:37 PM

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#344840: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:08:11 PM

The $2000 never passed the House.

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#344841: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:12:26 PM

Did it not get to a full vote? Since I’d assume it would pass a full vote considering the Dem majority.

Are Dems planning to pass it with a full vote just to show Mitch up?

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#344842: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:14:56 PM

Trump has signed the bill.

Man, if I were a Trumpeteer I'd be livid at this.

Trump: "I want Americans to have $2000!"

Dems: "We want that too! And we'll gladly create a bill to give it to them!"

Reps: "... We're never gonna support this. $600 or bust, Trump."

Trump: "... Yeah okay, 600."

Of course to Trumpeteers Trump can never do anything wrong, so they'll just praise the Bill he was spitting on weeks ago and say Trump is a savior and somehow Democrats are the bad guys.

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#344844: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:24:57 PM

And the copyright streaming stuff is now law. I just hope is not abused nor leads to censorship. Got 2011 flashbacks all over, when a similar bill (which BTW was introduced by Amy Klobuchar) was considered but never voted on, and caused mass hysteria all over the Internet (there were even people claiming Netflix would be shutted down if it passed) which basically ruined the year and my mental health. The fact that Tillis probably proposed the bill as a reward to Hollywood companies for donating to his campaign doesn't help. I know that there are more important things than that in the US, but can't help feeling just a bit worried.

Edited by JohnnyFR00 on Dec 27th 2020 at 8:29:11 AM

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#344845: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:37:53 PM

[up] Can the law be fought in court, considering how it was passed in a way that prevented it from being debated and the broadness of it?

Edited by CookingCat on Dec 27th 2020 at 6:40:01 AM

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#344846: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:40:05 PM

[up] Any and all laws can be fought in court; even laws that are settled can be brought back to courts with a new angle (Like Republicans attempts to destroy Obamacare, or a more positive example of Plessy v. Ferguson to Brown v. Board of Education).

However with our more Conservative, Pro-Big Business court system and judges I wouldn't be surprised if this law is ultimately found Constitutionally legal.

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#344847: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:46:01 PM

Apparently, the $2000 proposal by McConnell had a Section 230 repeal poison pill in it, so either way the internet was getting screwed with by the Republicans.

Edited by CookingCat on Dec 27th 2020 at 6:52:17 AM

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#344849: Dec 27th 2020 at 6:57:53 PM

Man, if I were a Trumpeteer I'd be livid at this.

Trump: "I want Americans to have $2000!"

Dems: "We want that too! And we'll gladly create a bill to give it to them!"

Reps: "... We're never gonna support this. $600 or bust, Trump."

Trump: "... Yeah okay, 600."

I feel like I called something like this about a week ago.

I guess the best thing we can do is hope this costs Republicans the runoffs in Georgia (not holding my breath).

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#344850: Dec 27th 2020 at 7:08:16 PM

[up][up] AFAIK: For the 600 bill, CASE (which is prolly more a double edge sword) and the streaming stuff. For the 2000 one, I think its a repeal of Safe harbor laws that would allow Trump to hammer Twitter for daring to debunk his narratives.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Dec 27th 2020 at 7:08:29 AM


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