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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
It’s also got funding for the entire federal government, also the bits Trump is objecting to aren’t the ones you’ve got issue with, so all that would happen is we’d have a government shutdown and a bunch of other bad things before the bill got altered enough to be passable, which wouldn’t include changing that stuff.
X2 Yeah and the bill has only $600 of direct relief for people, as the Republicans would only pass it with that (they wanted no direct relief).
It’s looking like Trump is going to fail to pocket veto, he seems unwilling to do an actual veto and the ten day clock is close to running out, at which point the bill becomes law even without his signature.
Edited by Silasw on Dec 27th 2020 at 3:03:59 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSen. Toomey: Trump going too far with pardons – He noted the connection of some of those pardoned to the president.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/27/toomey-trump-pardons-450759
Speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” the Pennsylvania Republican said that while the president had the right to pardon anyone, “I think it’s a misuse of the power” to pardon people whose greatest claim to this special form of justice is a connection to the president.
Toomey defended the pardon of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, saying he was wrongfully prosecuted, but criticized Trump for pardoning others for their various crimes. Without being specific, he compared those pardons to President Bill Clinton’s pardon of financier Marc Rich in 2001.
"I mean, my goodness, we have tax fraud and bank fraud, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, but because they were close to the president they got pardoned," he said.
Besides Flynn, Trump has recently pardoned dozens of people, including former campaign manager Paul Manafort; Charles Kushner, father of his son-in-law Jared Kushner; and former Republican congressmen Chris Collins, Duncan Hunter, Steve Stockman and Mark Sijander. Three figures who were part of the Mueller Russia investigation — Roger Stone, Alex Van Der Zwaan and George Papadopoulos — were also pardoned.
When asked whether presidential pardons should be restricted, Toomey was dubious. “It’s a good discussion to have but it’s a tough call,” he said. “I think it would be very challenging.”
There has been speculation that Trump is not done with pardons, and might consider preemptively pardoning himself and/or members of his family. Toomey said he didn’t know what to expect.
“The president is often unpredictable,” he said.
Also:
Jon Ossoff has raised more money than any Senate candidate in US history in heated Georgia runoff election – The Georgia runoff election has garnered national attention as the victors determine whether or not Republicans maintain control of the Senate.
Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 27th 2020 at 7:37:47 AM
Ms North said that given the US president’s previous promotion of Q Anon, in which he stated that its adherents “love our country,” she could foresee the movement being invoked in future campaigns. “He [Mr. Trump] can position himself as a resistance fighter in a way [in a 2024 presidential bid] . . . I can see [Q Anon] being harnessed into this kind of effort.”
That's not exactly true. Spreading accurate information and suppressing false information helps people resist the temptations of conspiracy cults. There's also general mental and social health to consider: the cult mentality of conspiracy theories appeals to people who feel dissociated from their broader culture. If we help these people assimilate and socialize, they can become resistant.
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 27th 2020 at 5:20:32 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"They weren't born that way.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That's a complicated question. People are obviously not born with entire belief systems embedded in their head. Belief content obviously comes from the culture you grow up in. But people are born with an emotional temperament, which can act to attract oneself toward activities and groups that allow one to express that temperament. People are born with fear centers that are more or less sensitive than average. People with somewhat more active fearfulness are at an elevated "risk" (so to speak) of becoming conservative and identifying with the Republican Party. This also obviously interacts with the environment, such that an elevated risk might nevertheless never be triggered if the environment one lives within is such that it buffers one from that (for example, you receive above average social support and encouragement from others, then one's inherent fearfulness might never manifest itself). But on average, it will.
This obviously works in reverse. People with an above average need for stimulation and new experiences are at an elevated "risk" of becoming liberal and identifying with the Democrats. Again, the environment one grows up in might encourage or suppress this tendency.
People born with an even more extreme temperament (not just risk averse, but outright paranoid) are at an elevated risk of buying into a community based on conspiracy thinking, provided the environment triggers this tendency by presenting an opportunity to do so.
Now, an effective public education would undoubtedly reduce this tendencies in a number of people, but I think that there will be a significant floor effect, such that there are a number of people that are at such an elevated risk of manifesting a highly fearful temperament that it would be too expensive and difficult to moderate that (not to mention that about half the population has no incentive to support this—you're basically asking them to vote against their own personality).
So—not impossible to reduce the percent of the population that are attracted to conspiracy theories, but really expensive and hard.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.There's no info on the guy yet as the story is still developing. Investigators are still searching the area for clues and are trying to contact the suspect's family.
Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.From what I've been hearing:
- Warner was worried by 5G spying.
- A tech guy.
It's very likely this guy was sucked in by Q.
Also, I saw a picture someone took using Microsoft Flight Simulator and the RV on Warner's property was the exact same one in the bombing.
And oh yeah, there seems to have been a copycat roaming around Rutherford County, Tennessee
playing evacuation warnings. The person has been stopped.
Edited by tclittle on Dec 27th 2020 at 4:51:47 AM
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."So it’s looking to be an elaborate suicide designed to take some 5G out with him?
That’s just saddening, such a waste due to conspiracy theories and improper healthcare.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Edited by CookingCat on Dec 27th 2020 at 6:43:26 AM