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Imca (Veteran)
#344551: Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:38:46 AM

Thats the thing, its not tightening further, its just harsher penalties on existing legal things, and even has exclusions for users and sights that aren't aware.

So the practical changes for an end user, in the US are none.

And if your outside of the US? Your coppyright law is probaly stricter then this already any way, I know it is in the EU, UK, and Japan.

Edited by Imca on Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:40:47 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#344552: Dec 23rd 2020 at 2:56:05 AM

There really should be a law against multipack bills like that.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#344553: Dec 23rd 2020 at 2:59:38 AM

Of course. Just get Congress to pass it.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#344554: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:14:48 AM

Irony dictates that they append it to a spending bill.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#344555: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:23:49 AM

[up]x4 Honestly, I'm not sure what revision of what got into where, because that senator has been trying to stick literally everything into it.

I assume it's the one that makes it "small claims", by letting the copyright office pick the penalty and giving the accused almost no chance to object or defend themselves. With small being $30,000, which it obviously isn't, per offence. Mmm, upping the penalty for copyright infringement and moving it out of judicial proceedings and slapping it with probably lifechanging fines isn't that minor, even if that's only got local effects. It's at least a bit more proactive than the "how much are R's killing the poor?" thing.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#344556: Dec 23rd 2020 at 6:16:07 AM

Many people also use the internet to make a living and the new bill would be especially bad for them.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#344557: Dec 23rd 2020 at 7:44:17 AM

The thing about the copyright addendum is that while it's not a big deal relative to the sheer scope of evil that the GOP is engaging in, the fact that streaming and gaming communities have more than their share of right-leaning demographics makes it a possible unifying issue to weaponize against the GOP. That's probably why it's getting the focus it does.

Even edgy young men who wouldn't otherwise give a shit about the poor getting short shrift again will still get mad if they're at risk of watching their favorite entertainers yell about their precious vidya games, and that's something everyone in the younger or at least more tech-savvy age brackets can get behind as being bullshit.

Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:44:53 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#344558: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:24:15 AM

I remember sgamer saying that the new copyright bill needs both the house and senate to go through, how likely would that happen?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#344559: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:28:28 AM

It again comes down to if it’s an actual bill or if it’s stuck as an amendment to a must-pass bill and Republicans are willing to shutdown the government if they don’t get it.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#344560: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:38:42 AM

One is an amendment, which follows [up], the other I've seen mentioned sounded like an actual bill

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#344561: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:42:03 AM

I'm a bit concerned that this one guy is just going to slap that copyright amendment onto every bill for the next six years, until it eventually actually does get through.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#344562: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:08:56 AM

It can be stripped out every time, amendments aren't permanent and can be removed easily enough.

It’s only a problem is a majority in either the senate or shore support the amendment.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#344563: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:28:16 AM

Hmm...if only there was a way this could only effect right-wing streamers. Then it would be good. As it stands now, anyone who likes Streamers, V Tubers, game reviewers looking to be professional, and former channel awesome people are gonna pay for millionairs and right wing stupidity.

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#344564: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:48:13 AM

At this point, I am getting so sick of the maximalist copyright that gets pushed constantly that I want to abolish it in its totality. The moneyed interests behind it would go out of business, and this would stop.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#344565: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:51:46 AM

It's also undesirable for the enforcement and levying of potentially crippling (for non-wealthy individuals) fines to be assigned to an office within the Library of Congress rather than having any judicial recourse. That's something that could be potentially too easily weaponised.

Particularly when said office's stated opinion on DMCA violations, per the EFF's response to the "let's make copyright even worse" act, is that a single violation should result in termination of all internet access.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#344566: Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:12:43 AM

The new one that came out yesterday is a bill in itself, that's the one I'm more concerned about at the moment and the one that my question relates to.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#344567: Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:25:56 AM

Omar tweeted this about an hour ago:

In an email to us, @Speaker Pelosi is asking for Unanimous Consent to bring a stand-alone bill to increase the payments to $2,000 & wants to pass it tomorrow morning. If McCarthy agrees to the request and no Republican objects, we should have a bill to the Senate by 10am tomorrow.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#344568: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:00:15 PM

It would literally be the only good thing Trump has ever done.

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#344569: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:02:01 PM

[up][up] Talk about a case of Lose-Lose for the Republicans. If they choose to go against it, they'll anger Trump's followers who worship his every word. If they go for it, they're giving out money they don't want to give out to the poor and needy.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:02:09 PM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#344570: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:09:14 PM

Trump doesn't mind bribing the American people to love him.

I truly believe the whole slashing Social Security and Medicaid thing is because he got bored and said, "I agree with whatever you told me to do."

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#344571: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:14:14 PM

Schumer on Trump's call for $2K in direct payments: 'I'm in'

And now Schumer has entered the battle.

I have to say, it's been so gratifying to see the Dems aggressively exploiting Trump's intervention. With the exception of Klobuchar (eugh) they displayed pretty great political instincts.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:14:25 PM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#344572: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:17:39 PM

Apprenlty the COVID relief bill of December was made with a lot of riders (presumably in a last ditch effort from Trump and co to ruin the Democrat's chances of fixing the nation). Including some copyright-related bills.

From what I gathered from this article one of them seems to be being blown out of proportion, as it is actually a bill designed to explicitly target services that explicitly have streaming unlicensed content as the point. Something like SOPA done right apparently, while as LE notes bringing streaming in line the other copyright-related felonies. As in no, Twitch or its streamers arne't gonna get nailed en masse for simply having a bit of a song playing unless the point of the stream was piracy.

But the other relevant rise is CASE which does aim to setup a small claims court for copyright related cases. Making it easier for victims to peruse IP theft...but also making it easier for copyright trolls to prey and predate upon small creators. It also lowers the cost of such cases so there is a chance that most people that wind up sued won't be placed into instant poverty.

Both riders have their nuances that thus have some possible points for abuse, especially CASE. But I shouls also mention that the PC Gamer article I link contained a tweet from AOC that points out that the doorstopping pandemic relief bill was passed in a time-frame that is too short for people to actually read the riders. And considering that Trump and the GOP still hold the power in December, I suspect it to be by design.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:18:18 PM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#344574: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:22:59 PM

[up]

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Also, here's an NPR article about it, as a veto override is a possibility - but one the Democrats would likely let fall by the wayside in favor of pushing for the higher relief funding.

And in more "Fuck the Police" news, the body-cam of an officer was not turned on when he shot a black man on Tuesday morning.

The Columbus Department of Public Safety said the Tuesday shooting itself was captured on video due to a 60-second “look back” feature on the cameras. However, that function does not pick up audio, meaning it’s not known what was said before or during the shooting.

Shit like this should be grounds for immediate dismissal, as there is no reason they should be turning off that equipment outside of going to the bathroom.

Edited by ironballs16 on Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:30:39 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#344575: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:29:10 PM

If there's a shutdown, who do you think is getting the blame?


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