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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The South always wanted them to be America’s heroes because those ideals of racial superiority are what they believe was the best for the country. Essentially unquestioned privilege.
There was a statue of Robert E. Lee in our nation's motherfucking capitol?!?!
I mean, this is the best possible way to find that out, but still! What the actual fuck, America?!
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Reading the article and okay, the Lee statue kinda makes sense now. The statue was in the National Statuary Hall, which permits each state to send up to two statues for immortalization. Virginia, former capitol of the Confederacy, sent General Lee because of fucking course they did.
Virginia's current governor signed off on the removal and will be instead submitting schoolteacher and Civil Rights activist Barbara Johns to replace Lee.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 21st 2020 at 8:47:10 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Because "LOST FUCKING CAUSE OF THE FUCKING SOUTH", states' rights, honorable people on both sides of the conflict, and all that bullshit to paper over the fact that it was about white fucking supremacy.
Edited by Reflextion on Dec 21st 2020 at 12:18:08 PM
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.I recall in 5th grade the class being made to go through a book that took place during The Civil War and had a Peace Aesop. Even at the time, that bugged the hell out of me.
Leviticus 19:34Re: textbooks: Texas is one of the states the textbooks try to please because the state board adopts textbooks for the whole state, and Texas is big. The board is well known
for enforcing a conservative outlook on the curriculum via pressuring textbook authors to censor/diminish things like unions and promote conservative icons like Joseph McCarthy. Wouldn't surprise me if the other southern states saw that and went, "hey, we agree with all of this, I'll take a million copies of your conservative-Christian outlook, please".
Between the massive losses sustained on both sides and the fact that the Union still had to govern areas where the majority of the white population had supported treason to some extent, trying to bury the hatchet made a lot of sense (to American whites). Doesn't help that after Lincoln gets shot, there is a Southern sympathizer in the Oval Office.
Its like the occupation of the Axis Powers, on roids. Yes, the bulk of the population (not just the officers and high ranking officials) is guilty to some extent in committing atrocities (or passively accepting them), and a lot of them are unrepentant or even still believe they did nothing wrong other than lose. Except now, eventually you have to let these people vote and reenter peacetime society, rather than just setup a liberal democracy and gradually downgrade your military presence (Soviet problems permitting) over time. What you are going to do, hang or jail everyone who refuses to be Reconstructed?
In addition, a lot of Unionist and Northerners main issue with the South was with the whole treason thing. They largely opposed slavery, but to most Jim Crow was a perfectly acceptable scenario if it kept the peace. After the deadliest war in the Western Hemisphere's history, who wants to keep putting down revolts for the sake of people most whites still considered their inferiors?
BREAKING: Outgoing AG William Barr says there is no need for special counsels to investigate Hunter Biden, or to order voting machines seized.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Dec 21st 2020 at 1:44:58 PM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.The seeds for all of this were sown in 1865; it goes farther back than the Texas Board of Education. Lincoln, and after him, both Johnson and the so-called Radical Republicans saw a need to reunite the country. The idea of liquidating the white slaveowning caste or bloodily crushing the KKK was not on the table.
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but...
As I understand it, Grant wanted to disenfranchise the South for a generation, and there were a couple of proposals for seizing the plantations and distributing them to the freedmen - which would have required Crushing the Populace. So yeah, that was on the table.
Edited by Ramidel on Dec 21st 2020 at 8:49:52 AM
As I understand it, Grant wanted to disenfranchise the South for a generation, and there were a couple of proposals for seizing the plantations and distributing them to the freedmen - which would have required Crushing the Populace. So yeah, that was on the table.
It was a tragedy that this did not happen, the Reconstruction we got resulted in both immediate harm to black people when the Southern whites resumed their normal racial dominion and long term harm with the bolstering to Reaction it caused that lead us to our current situation.
The cowardice and racism of Northern whites were sickening. If they had more Will we would be in a far better situation.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIt's funny that myth about Lee spread far and wide. My father is very left-wing, was a hippy in the 60s and enthusiastically supported Bernie in 2016, Elizabeth Warren in 2020, yadda yadda. Even he believed that myth about Lee and he was from New Jersey. I'm almost certain he doesn't believe it now (I haven't asked him about it), but still it permeated far outside just the south.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midThe Lee mythology is a large part of the conventional wisdom about the Civil War, to the point that it’s part of well-respected sources.
If you ever want a better understanding of propaganda and how it operates, keep an eye on Shelby Foote’s comments in Ken Burns’s The Civil War. Propaganda isn’t just a demagogue yelling at a rally. Propaganda is a courteous, educated, soft-spoken man telling engaging stories in a respected historical documentary in order to obsfucate what the war really was.
Bonus points if said man is Believing Their Own Lies.
It didn't hurt that Lee did pull off a few victories he had no business winning, and held out longer than he should have (even when facing down competent opponents like Grant and Meade). There is a reason the Lost Cause decided to make him their Messiah, rather than boring political figures like Davis or failures like Bragg. He's the Confederate Rommel, in a way.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Dec 21st 2020 at 2:28:33 PM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
