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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#344276: Dec 21st 2020 at 3:17:45 AM

Exactly, Trump doesn't have any problems using someone else's money (namely, taxpayer money) to boost his image.

Giving everyone cheques with his name on it fits that perfectly. And he's tried to do it before, too.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#344277: Dec 21st 2020 at 4:04:33 AM

What is really sad is that this is actually the correct policy for the situation. And not the Potemkin villages Senate Republicans are setting up.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#344278: Dec 21st 2020 at 6:44:42 AM

Even Trump denied invoking Martial Law by now

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340523944680583169

Anytime Trump says something he said is fake news, I'm inclined to believe otherwise.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#344279: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:23:00 AM

Since I noticed some people were talking about the frustration on the left for how biden isn't progressive enough, it's worth remembering that no one said fighting for progressive change would be easy. There's a reason we call it "fighting".

“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

- Frederick Douglass (West Indian Emancipation speech' at Canandaigua, New York on August 3rd 1857).

"Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable. Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals."

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 21st 2020 at 10:25:01 AM

Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#344280: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:24:33 AM

Seriously now, does the Republicans still have any avenue left for them to overturn the results barring a call for martial law? Many of them are still failing to come to terms with reality across the internet, and it's getting on my nerves.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#344281: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:27:14 AM

It's common for Trump to suggest something, then deny it once he gets pushback, so that denial doesn't prove anything.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#344282: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:37:17 AM

At this point the illusion of fighting the results to bring in donations and galvanize supporters is the goal, rather than any serious threat to said results.

As for the checks, it was a clear attempt to win approval. Trump leaves with a final gift to Americans and gets to go “Aren’t I great? I’m the best, simply the best, so I’m going to run again in 2024.” The GOP, realizing he’s not going to run the country after January, pivoted to appeasing their corporate masters over satiating Trump’s ego.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#344283: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:39:39 AM

I don't know, I think he still really, really would like to overturn the election. Or rather, he sincerely believes he won and Biden cheated somehow, and is in denial about admitting defeat.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#344284: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:42:59 AM

[up]Denial is possible, but considering he’s sent feelers to NBC asking about interest in a revival of The Apprentice, there’s a chance at least part of him knows he’s gone. But he’ll never admit it, given his long standing policy of refusing to acknowledge any mistakes and suing anyone who implies otherwise.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#344285: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:46:06 AM

Both can be true at the same time. Denial doesn't have to be rational, after all.

And he seemed to be fluctuating between grudging acceptance and full denial last month.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 21st 2020 at 4:47:55 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#344286: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:50:25 AM

I mean, Trump talked about martial law.

The man is a tin pot wannabe Hitler.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#344287: Dec 21st 2020 at 7:58:25 AM

Denying reality out of one end of his mouth while planning how to best leverage his exit is normal Trump behavior. He's not a rational or consistent man.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#344288: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:01:34 AM

Robert E. Lee statue removed from US Capitol – A statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee was removed from the U.S. Capitol overnight.

https://thehill.com/homenews/531103-robert-e-lee-statue-removed-from-us-capitol

clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#344289: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:05:30 AM

[up]Well that's good. However if T*** finds out, he's gonna be mad.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#344290: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:06:29 AM

And if he gets mad...eh, fuck'im.

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#344291: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:07:32 AM

You say "however" like making Trump mad is a bad thing, rather than the bonus objective it is.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#344292: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:08:02 AM

I'm so sick of people trying to paint Lee as a misunderstood hero.

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Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#344293: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:09:49 AM

Also, another thing about the alt-right furries: many of them seem to be particularly fixated on framing the Antifa/BLM as Democrat-backed domestic terrorists.

Of all the issues they can bring up that would typically fall in line with GOP rhetoric, their greatest concern is focused on the typical poxy online drama between furries who disagree with them and their seething hatred for the BLM and Antifa.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#344294: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:10:02 AM

[up][up]He still led the forces trying to secede. If he was truly an abolitionist, even one that didn’t want to raise arms against his countrymen, he would have sat the war out. Because he sure as hell didn’t have a problem leading his forces to kill Northerners.

Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 21st 2020 at 8:10:43 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#344295: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:12:16 AM

[up] I'm confused. Your tone suggests you're disagreeing with Forenperser but words suggest you do agree.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 21st 2020 at 8:12:33 AM

PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#344296: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:13:12 AM

Why was there even a statue of Lee in the Capitol building to begin with? No, don't answer that, stupid question...

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#344297: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:13:51 AM

[up][up]No, I agree with him completely. I disagree with the “Lee myth”, the same myth that attempts to paint Southern generals as heroes and divorce them from slavery.

[up]The same reason they litter the South. To remind people the ideals they fought for are still very much alive. And key among those ideals are racial superiority.

Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 21st 2020 at 8:14:47 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#344298: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:20:06 AM

Given that Lee raised arms against the loyalists of West Virginia, the argument he loved Virginia more is bullshit. He loved the slaving part of it.

He also personally whipped a female slave.

And was pro-slavery because, of course he was.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#344299: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:20:06 AM

Lee didn't just own slaves, other slave owners commented on his cruelty. He was so bad he stood out.

Furthermore, the Army of Northern Virginia enslaved free blacks (in an attempt to boost the flagging Confederate economy) during their incursions into Union territory. They threatened to burn any town that didn't turn blacks over.

Lee wasn't just bad, he was awful by the low standards of his day.

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