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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
A Rare Sentence if I ever heard one.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Dec 20th 2020 at 12:08:47 PM
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyI didn't purely speak about this forum.
A lot of people actually seem to be afraid of this scenario. And a lot of Trumpists hold it up as Donald's final trump card (heh) he is about to play.
It's just so ridiculous.
Edited by Forenperser on Dec 20th 2020 at 1:07:31 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianTrump can let anyone he likes into the Oval Office, they don’t have to work for the US government or even know what they’re talking about.
Flynn is either lying or has a worse understanding of martial law than I do. My default assumption is that he’s lying, but at this point I think we actually have numerous documented cases of people on this forum understanding the law better than Trump’s people.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranTrump could invite a birthday party clown into the Oval Office. Doesn't mean the clown has any actual say in whether martial law is declared or not or knows anything about martial law.
Though at this point I wouldn't be surprised if some random clown actually did know more about martial law than Flynn or Trump.
Disgusted, but not surprisedYeah we’ve got to remember that Flynn is stupid enough to lie to the FBI about something they could prove he was lying about.
The man might have achieved high rank, but he’s clearly not smart at everything.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIts doomsaying in the fact that even if he listens to them and does it, it doesn't really acomplish any thing or help him get what he wants... Martial Law in the US isn't any thing like hollywood shows, its not any kind of round up, and he has no ability to do any thing with him that would keep him in office.
It just means the armed services preform policing duties of existing laws, and well... as we have seen repeatedly this year, they do a better job at being police then the actual police.... which is really sad really. :/
As I’ve said before, the military performing police duties is dangerous for Trump, as the Do D isn’t bound by the Do J memo saying you can’t arrest a sitting president.
Now I doubt things would go that far, but considering how pissed people are at Flynn I don’t think it’s that absurd that a declaration of martial law would result in the military arresting Flynn and then refusing any illegal orders.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranLawmakers reach compromise over GOP proposal to rein in Fed’s powers, clearing path for a stimulus package deal – Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.) had proposed curbing the central bank’s ability to offer emergency loans. With the issue now resolved, a deal on the nearly $1 trillion legislation could be near.
Toomey had created a major impasse last week by demanding new limits on the central bank’s emergency lending authority. His proposal, supported by Republican leadership, threatened the delicate negotiations over the relief package. But after hours of frenzied negotiations and meetings in the Capitol, a compromise between Toomey and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) was brokered around 9:30 p.m., aides in both parties said.
The revised language bars the Federal Reserve from creating precise copies of the lending programs created through the $2 trillion Cares Act passed by Congress. It affirmatively shuts down as of Jan. 1 those programs, which were seeded with a $500 billion appropriation by Congress in March. As congressional negotiators have discussed for weeks, the $429 billion in unspent funds will be redirected to other programs in the new $900 billion bill.
Toomey made his original proposal to make sure the emergency Federal Reserve facilities created by Congress would shut down at the end of the year. Democrats worried Toomey’s initial proposal went too far in restricting the central bank’s ability to use its long-standing emergency lending authority to respond to future economic calamities.
Republicans say they believe the new language will still prevent the Fed from pursuing vast new lending programs on its own without permission — and new appropriations — from Congress. At the same time, it gives the incoming administration of President-elect Joe Biden the clear authority to pursue new tools in conjunction with the central bank to confront threats to the economic recovery from the pandemic.
The compromise language was described by three congressional aides familiar with its drafting who were not authorized to comment publicly.
Leaving his office just before midnight Saturday, Senate Minority Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) declared a deal “very close” and predicted a resolution on Sunday.
“If things continue on this path and nothing gets in the way, we’ll be able to vote tomorrow,” he said.
However, at 12:18 a.m. on Sunday, President Trump tweeted that Congress needs to give “more money in direct payments.” The Washington Post reported last week that White House aides talked Trump out of issuing a public statement demanding stimulus checks as big as $2,000, telling the president such a move could derail negotiations on the broader relief package. His tweet early Sunday signals the president may not have given up on his demand.
The breakthrough with Toomey came after two days of scrambling that sent tremors across Capitol Hill, as lawmakers realized a deal badly desired by both sides could fall through at the last minute.
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Toomey had been arguing that the Fed’s programs, initially funded with a $500 billion congressional appropriation under the March relief bill, were of marginal utility earlier in the pandemic and no longer necessary.
Democrats had countered the Toomey proposal represented an unusual political intervention into the independence of the Fed, limiting emergency lending powers it has possessed since 1932.
“It’s no surprise that Republicans are drawing a line in the sand over their ability to sabotage the economy, and tie the Biden administration’s hands,” Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the finance committee, said in a statement.
As debate intensified on Capitol Hill, former Federal Reserve chair Ben S. Bernanke weighed in on the dispute in an unusual public statement on Saturday, saying the central bank’s emergency lending authorities should be at minimum as robust as they were before passage of the Cares Act in March. Bernanke said it was “vital” the central bank’s ability to “respond promptly to damaging disruptions in credit markets not be circumscribed.” The Fed did not release a public statement Saturday on the matter.
Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 20th 2020 at 7:22:19 AM
This should avert a shutdown right? The government almost shutdown Friday night (a deal to extend was announced with two hours to spare) and the current funding only run till midnight tonight.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranProminent GOP'ers calling for civil war then.
Since apparently they don't know what Crossing the Rubicon
entails.

If he doesn't have any authority, then what is he doing in the Oval Office?
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