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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#343701: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:15:02 AM

Many Republican Senators under oath have twisted the constitution and law to their own favor for decades.

Why would it be different now?

Edited by Aszur on Dec 16th 2020 at 11:15:28 AM

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#343702: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:17:24 AM

What's so insidious about "irregularities but not enough to overturn the election", is that it is technically true. Like take Michigan for example. When those two assholes were making noise about not certifying they were pointing out that when you sum up the total number of votes from each polling place it is off from the total number votes in the county. The thing is that is totally expected in any election due to minor bits of error in just counting that many ballots. And it happens in every election. And it only amounts to something in the order 10s of ballots to at most 100s. The election in michigan was decided by 150,000 votes.

Edited by jjjj2 on Dec 16th 2020 at 12:17:40 PM

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#343704: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:19:09 AM

Don't gamble then?

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#343705: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:21:04 AM

Ah, 2020, when "people betting on the Presidental elections" is actually a news item.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343706: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:27:00 AM

Anyone who bets their life savings on a highly volatile election (or...anything else) shouldn't be allowed to gamble at all.

Like, if people have hundreds or thousands of extra bucks to burn? No problem, not my cup of tea but it ain't my bank account. But when gambling ruins the lives of entire families, that's when this online market needs regulation.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#343707: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:29:28 AM

All those stories of Trump voters betting their lifesaving on Trump winning is deeply amusing to me, it's just a perfect combination of being hurt for their own wretchedness without the excessive effect on others that their stupid behavior normally involves.

It's just <chef's kiss> perfect.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:32:37 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#343708: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:31:39 AM

I don't feel anything but pity for those who lost their fortune because it's likely to affect their families and loved ones as well.

But I don't understand how you could put all your faith in such a person either.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#343709: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:32:49 AM

It's called "Karma" and yes, it does exist.

It just gathers all the bad karma first before dumping it down on the wrongdoers, the more bad karma, the longer it takes before it hits them.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#343710: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:33:17 AM

Why would it be different now?

Because there is literally an amendment and process for not seating people for refusing to acknowledge the results of the election.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343711: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:33:26 AM

[up][up][up]I feel bad for their kids if they have any, but I don't feel bad for them. Nobody forced them to bet their lifesavings.

Edited by M84 on Dec 17th 2020 at 1:33:59 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#343712: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:36:40 AM

Because there is literally an amendment and process for not seating people for refusing to acknowledge the results of the election.

But they are, and simultaneously, they sow seeds for it not being "legal" in a way that is convenient for their narrative.

And the oath and the law doesn't say anything about that.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#343713: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:36:43 AM

It's called "Karma" and yes, it does exist.

It just gathers all the bad karma first before dumping it down on the wrongdoers, the more bad karma, the longer it takes before it hits them.

No, it's called stupidity. Karma doesn't exist. The universe doesn't care if you're moral or not.

I feel bad for their kids if they have any, but I don't feel bad for them. Nobody forced them to bet their lifesaving.

Well said, I find their fate hilarious. If it hurts their dependents that's independently sad.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:37:30 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343714: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:37:26 AM

It should be noted that these are not Trump voters.

These are people in the UK who bet on Trump.

Political gambling is actually banned in the USA.

Edited by M84 on Dec 17th 2020 at 1:37:58 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#343715: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:37:42 AM

Lol, that's even better. [lol]

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#343716: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:39:54 AM

What law are they breaking? Making false claims is not illegal. Saying stupid things on the internet is not illegal.
Ask the cops, they make up shit to arrest protestors all the time, this shouldn't be anything they can't find something for.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#343717: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:46:07 AM

They still tried to attack actual members of the government and the electors. This has long gone beyond being a bunch of loud jackasses. And some really wanted to try the secession.

Edited by Blueace on Dec 16th 2020 at 2:47:03 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#343718: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:51:26 AM

Ask the cops, they make up shit to arrest protestors all the time, this shouldn't be anything they can't find something for.

Difference being the enforcers of the law are not going to enforce the law on themselves

Edited by Aszur on Dec 16th 2020 at 12:01:21 PM

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343719: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:55:18 AM

You're asking the cops to just make up charges to lock up political protesters? Yeah, that's not a great look.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#343720: Dec 16th 2020 at 10:23:02 AM

[up] You mean the exact look they have now that people still take their side for?

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#343721: Dec 16th 2020 at 10:27:14 AM

I used to think humans were inherently good, but it turns out they are indeed bastards. So many of these people are willing to give all they can to get 4 more years of a racist, sexist bully who only genuinely loves himself (and food) and find it funny when he insults and demeans others? Is it because they are nothing but cruel?

The mistake you made was thinking that humans are inherently anything. If you're tarring Abraham Lincoln and Adolf Hitler with the same brush, you're making an error no matter what coat of paint you use.

Humans are born not knowing a single goddamn thing about anything. They have to be taught to be cruel, and they have to be taught to be kind. Neither good nor evil are fundamental absolutes about the human condition; they are both learned behaviors.

If you want to make a better world, you do it by teaching children. What children learn today will determine what the world looks like tomorrow. That's why the right is so big on privatized education and religious schools; so they can control what values are adopted by the next generation.

The other main way that people learn is through consequences. And, unfortunately, wealth and privilege tend to insulate people from consequences.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that people naturally, biologically lean towards any position on the moral compass. Every person is a product of their upbringing and their world experiences. Nothing more and nothing less.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#343722: Dec 16th 2020 at 10:29:17 AM

If you're tarring Abraham Lincoln and Adolf Hitler with the same brush, you're making an error no matter what coat of paint you use.

They both have bad facial hair.

clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#343723: Dec 16th 2020 at 10:34:26 AM

[up][up]Thanks for explaining this to me. It makes me feel a lot better.

[up]Nice joke.

Edited by clemont107 on Dec 16th 2020 at 1:34:43 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#343724: Dec 16th 2020 at 10:35:14 AM

Well, what Tobias is saying can still be debated, the nature vs nurture debate is an endless one.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#343725: Dec 16th 2020 at 10:36:45 AM

And it also fits more on other threads rather than the U.S politics one.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

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