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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343676: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:02:02 AM

@Scuba Wolf: Which there are actually plenty of.

Course, prob there is they get shut down by the damn Right-wing nutcases on the force.

Gotta remember Police Departments and the Military actually do hire diversely, and are supposed to be non-partisan (goes with the job description after all). prob is Police Department assignments have the government stick their noses in a LOT, so it's easier for them to be manipulated.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 8:06:59 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343677: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:02:31 AM

[up][up][up] What law are they breaking? Making false claims is not illegal. Saying stupid things on the internet is not illegal.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 16th 2020 at 5:02:56 PM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#343678: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:04:11 AM

Although at this point, it really feels like incitement, really.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343679: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:05:30 AM

Only if they are actively inciting to violence, which can be a tricky thing to prove.

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Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#343680: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:19:35 AM

From what I can tell, there are a number of self-proclaimed centrists who believe that this election is a display of brazen constitutional violation from the Democrats. They also claim that this isn't about Trump, but about how the government has set such a low bar for ensuring the integrity of elections that any future elections will be rendered moot.

Gaslighting much? Do they have a term for CIN Os?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#343681: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:30:12 AM

These aren't centrists. They're bothsiders looking for an excuse to not vote.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#343682: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:33:05 AM

[up][up][up]Hence my "Things are fishy as hell" post about that night with Kyle Rittenhouse and those guys who got shot by him.

Given the sheer number of cellphones that captured that, the guys going after Kyle WERE trying to incite. That said, from what i could see, everyone else just G.T.F.O.ed from the area. But, as i said before, given Trump actually tried to have military deployed to quell the "Riot" that night BEFORE said incident, makes me think folks were deliberately planted to do so. Standard plausible deniability intel agency bullshit.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 8:38:43 AM

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#343683: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:38:54 AM

I saw an idea kicked around that at the start of the 2021 Congress, Pelosi should refuse to seat anyone that does not recognize the validity of the 2020 election. You can't serve in Washington if you're claiming that the election that sent you to Washington was invalid.

There is actually a Constitutional basis for this. Amendment 14, Section 3 of the Constitution states that anyone who participates in insurrection or rebellion against the United States and/or Constitution is forbidden from holding office in federal or even state government, unless they pass a 2/3 majority vote in both chambers of Congress.

So let's put them their feet to the fire. Come January, every member of the House of Representatives should have to answer one question before they're allowed to be seated: "Do you recognize the legitimacy of the election that put you here in office?" Anyone that says no gets sent home, because they have attested that their election to House Representative is invalid.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 8:40:16 AM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343684: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:40:06 AM

If I recall right, isn't it also literally part of their oath of office?

Edit: "I, ____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion"

Yeah, it does.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 8:42:16 AM

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#343685: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:42:23 AM

They'll just go "I recognize the process that got me here but not the presidential one" and jury rig their argument to saying that the elections are not one and the same.

I dont think it would accomplish much.

Edited by Aszur on Dec 16th 2020 at 10:42:45 AM

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#343686: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:42:41 AM

It's a gutsy move, and she probably won't do such a thing, but it's worth trying.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#343687: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:43:58 AM

I think the sticking point is legally proving that it is in fact rebellion or insurrection, rather than just plain stubbornness. These things have pretty strict definitions, I imagine.

And as noted above, all they'd have to do to get around it is acknowledge Biden won, and that will be it. Which they likely will do anyway, since they can see not doing so will not get them anywhere.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 16th 2020 at 5:45:28 PM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343688: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:44:36 AM

@Aszur: specially since i just pointed out they literally take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

@Redmess: Breaking your oath of office in support of a Seditionist isn't likely to be a good addition to your resume. Or even just breaking it in support of a president who literally broke his oath at least once a month. His two most notable of those being violation of the First Amendement using the Police to clear protesters out of Lafayette Square, and Violation of the Fifth Amendment due to his pardoning of Joe Arpaio after he was found in Contempt of Court, after continuing to do "Immigration Round Ups" on people of color despite an Injunction specifically telling him NOT to anymore.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 8:57:17 AM

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#343689: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:54:54 AM

Well. I am not running on the assumption that they are earnest in their desire to get Trump elected and kick Biden out. I do not think they are honest in their words of "The elections were illegal and Trump actually won".

It is so glaringly, patently obvious that Trump lost that these claims are only fuel to fire up an incensed crowd that gets them what they want: votes.

By battering the drum of their core electors (Which, reminder, have already given them one election), they are setting the precedent for future moves where they can get away with the claim "DEMOCRATS ARE CHEATING".

That is the seed they are planting: Democrats are cheating. Hence why even the most "moderate" republicans who already acknowledged Biden say there have been some "irregularities but not enough to overturn the election".

Giving them a platform where they can repeat their strategy (AKA making them swear the president was elect but giving them the chance to grumble about it) does not really achieve anything.

It is not a logical, or sound argument, but it is one that works.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343690: Dec 16th 2020 at 8:59:16 AM

Which is violating their oaths.

"I, ____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion"

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:03:28 AM

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#343691: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:02:28 AM

Saying "Yes, I do", and then posting on twitter "Today I was sworn in to do my job despite the fact the democrats sole the presidency I swear I will defend the second amendment they will try to steal from us" is not a violation of that oath.

Edited by Aszur on Dec 16th 2020 at 11:02:45 AM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343692: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:04:14 AM

Yes, but the stuff you just mentioned them trying to do is, hence why i highlighted it above.

Plus, defending the second Amendment when you, you know, break 6 others? Probably not the wisest idea. They'll still do it, but it's stupid as hell.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:06:13 AM

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#343693: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:05:50 AM

I used to think humans were inherently good, but it turns out they are indeed bastards. So many of these people are willing to give all they can to get 4 more years of a racist, sexist bully who only genuinely loves himself (and food) and find it funny when he insults and demeans others? Is it because they are nothing but cruel?

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343694: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:07:17 AM

@clemont107: Hey, don't write us all off yet.

I honestly see it as a roughly even split. After all, 80+ million Americans did vote Biden in.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:08:32 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#343695: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:08:27 AM

Evil exists in the simple idea that one person would gladly take one of bubblegum instead of two to make sure another kid had none.

The heart of it is bullies and they never grow up.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:08:39 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#343696: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:09:26 AM

[up][up][up] The sad thing is, a huge portion of these people genuinely believe they are good.

I'm a regular visitor of Breitbart, I know what I'm talking about. They are that deluded.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 16th 2020 at 6:09:48 PM

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#343697: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:10:11 AM

Most of the people who believe that Biden stole the election think they are upholding the constitution. Remember, from their perspective, it's Biden who staged the coup.

But it isn't based on facts—it never is. Most of these people believe that someone stole their way of life, the country the used to live in. The idea that the same someone has stolen Trump's victory feels right to them.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343698: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:10:19 AM

[up][up]That's what happens when you're fanatical and/or indoctrinated.

Mean, look up vids on Youtube about North Korean defectors reacting to stuff.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 16th 2020 at 9:11:27 AM

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#343699: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:11:30 AM

They are doing it right now and they are not being called out for it.

If spouting abject, deliberate lies, such as "Every “Republican” that isn’t fighting for Donald Trump’s 2020 landslide victory is supporting the Chinese Communist Party takeover of America" after being sworn in to congress is not something that would be persecuted, I have no idea why it would be different for this situation.

Once again the oath to defend the constitution has done little to make the republicans get what they want. Why would it be different this time?

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343700: Dec 16th 2020 at 9:13:25 AM

Oh, I meant that more as something that would let the Biden presidency nail their asses to the wall with.

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