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#343601: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:14:36 PM

With Pete it may be a reward, it may be giving representation to the factions he represents (younger moderates, democrats in red states, and LGBT people), it may be giving someone with skills the opportunity to grow and develop themselves, it may be any combination of the three (that’s my bet).

I believe he’s the first of Biden’s cabinet nominees to be LGBT, and even ignoring the big factional stuff it’s generally a good idea to give skilled democrats from red states a way to advance their careers, it’s not like Pete could realistically do a senate run.

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Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#343602: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:19:18 PM

(Reposting since it was at the bottom of last page) Re: Buttigieg, transportation, climate:

Now is an exceptional time to revisit @sarahsholder's exclusive sitdown with @PeteButtigieg in which he tells her all about his vision for...the future of transportation!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-04/inside-pete-buttigieg-s-2-trillion-climate-plan


Many cities and states are trying to push people into a less car-centric lifestyle. That's a challenge for cities with inadequate public transportation systems, or whose built environments are very sprawling and car-centric. How would you encourage people to turn away from personal vehicles and to build more connected and more green cities?

Well, you know, design in cities, especially through the 20th century, really revolved around the car. I'm trying to make sure that design for the future revolves around the human being. Sometimes that means car transportation and sometimes that means walking, biking, or public transit.

We can't expect people to move beyond personally owned vehicles if there's not a good alternative. So we've got to make sure that between ride-sharing, public transportation, and just good old fashioned walking and biking, we've got an array of options right now. The United States subsidizes driving a tremendous amount. We're more reluctant to support transit or things like trains. When I'm president, I envision making that a greater balance and supporting cities that are trying to do that, too, because if we get it right, it's also more sustainable, more healthy, and more economically friendly.

For example, when we transformed the heart of [South Bend], including calming down our traffic instead of just getting cars through it as quickly as possible, it led to growth in small business, because we have a more vibrant core in our downtown. When we change our mentality, it's amazing what possibilities can be unlocked.

singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#343603: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:21:06 PM

That's true, but emissions standards I thought were pushed mostly through the EPA rather than Transport. Plus, it sort of makes sense to piggy back onto the state efforts from California by no longer contesting California's right to set their own emission standards.

It's one of those things where the Trump admin had a nice idea for all the wrong reasons. It seems like they wanted to set a national emission standard via the NHTSA, purely to spite California. Meanwhile, all the major vehicle manufacturers signed up to the California standards anyway, effectively giving California the de facto ability to set standards if not de jure.

Bigger questions, like a federal effort to encourage mode shift away from aviation onto trains and other major infrastructure projects would fall under the Do T's purview - but you have to get it through Congress first.

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#343604: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:27:58 PM

I mean, that's nice and all, but shouldn't we primarily focus on corporations? Since, you know, they're the ones who are responsible for over 70% of greenhouse gas emissions?

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#343605: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:32:52 PM

[up] Um, no, the transportation sector is a huge component of pollution that must be addressed sooner rather than later. It's especially important because of the lifecycle of vehicles. A gas car sold today may still be on the road 20 years from now.

Dealing with transportation emissions requires a comprehensive approach that includes all of the following, and probably more that I'm not thinking of:

  • Encouraging the use of mass transportation and ride sharing.
  • Reducing air travel, although nothing can eliminate it entirely and we should continue to develop cleaner technology for this.
  • Reorganizing our housing and lifestyles such that driving is not as necessary to get places.
  • Phasing out fossil fuel vehicles in favor of battery-electric vehicles. Alternative fuels are not likely to be economically viable for much longer than we have to work with.
  • Farther out, accelerating the automation of cars so that we can get human drivers out of them; this would supercharge ride-sharing as personal vehicle ownership would stop being needed.

Decades ago, there was a tremendously successful marketing and lobbying effort by the oil and auto industries to get people to value personal car ownership: the "freedom of the American lifestyle, yadda yadda". This pushed aside light rail and even mass transit. We're still dealing with the effects of it.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2020 at 3:34:50 PM

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#343606: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:40:15 PM

[up] That first bullet point is going to be hard to sell, considering there are areas close to Atlanta that still don't have MARTA because they don't want anything that the filthy blacks use, even if it makes their lives better.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Dec 15th 2020 at 3:40:36 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#343607: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:40:31 PM

I'm pessimistic that the U.S. will ever achieve it, but it would be wonderful if we had some good public transportation like other countries do, so it's nice that Pete has vocally supported that.

Also, speaking for myself, I have a generally positive impression of him, and would think that he'd be a good choice for some position, in light of his educational and professional background, coupled with "deserving" a reward for his support.

Because of his intelligence background, something foreign policy related seems like a more obvious fit, but he's almost certainly underqualified for that. And while he has been an able advocate for Biden on Fox News, he doesn't have the overall background of a Press Secretary. And that would probably be considered a step down.

So, Transportation seems like a decent compromise.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#343608: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:44:38 PM

With cars and climate change, it's worth noting that-to my understanding-using a power plant to charge an electric car battery is apparently more energy efficient/less environmentally destructive than a gasoline car, surprisingly.

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#343609: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:47:22 PM

[up] Significantly. Even if the plant is powered by coal, the electric vehicle is still significantly less polluting than the equivalent gas car because coal plants convert hydrocarbons to energy far more efficiently than internal combustion engines. This is a common anti-EV myth that needs to be squashed.

Coal is of course the worst case. Many people charge their electric cars from solar panels installed on their own houses. This means that the entire carbon footprint of the vehicle is found in the manufacturing of the solar panels and the car itself. These are not trivial, but the break-even point comes after only a few years of driving: less than two in most cases. At that point your biggest source of pollution is in the tires.

There are some other minor savings: BEVs don't use oil for lubrication and don't require brake service nearly as often because they use regenerative braking. Newer battery technologies have the potential to let the pack last for millions of miles, eliminating another source of emissions in battery replacement and letting the vehicle itself last for far longer than a gas car. Fewer scrapped/crushed cars = less pollution.

For something like a diesel long-haul truck, the GHG break-even point is far below that: mere months. In fact, an electric truck can recoup its entire purchase price in fuel savings in less than two years, never mind its emissions. The main problem with these kinds of trucks is that they need huge battery packs: one Class 8 semi can use as many cells as ten to twenty sedans.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2020 at 3:52:37 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343610: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:47:58 PM

"That's true, but emissions standards I thought were pushed mostly through the EPA rather than Transport."

Responsibilities can get shuffled between departments or diffused amongst them when their specific sectors are involved.

Herbert Hoover (in)famously made the Department of Commerce much more influential that was intended when, as head of the department, he more or less hijacked any sub-departments from other Cabinet members that he could argue should be considered "commerce."

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#343611: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:51:51 PM

At a wild guess he’s been given transport rather than a prominent Under Secretary position (say an Under Secretary of Defence/State position) is because the key positions really need people with experience right now, and because getting Pete experience leading an entire department will service him well in the future.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#343612: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:54:08 PM

The city I live in is one of the least pedestrian-friendly cities in Europe, but I can still get anywhere I need to by either walking or riding the tram, trolley or bus - for FREE. The US has a lot of catching up to do.

Edited by Xopher001 on Dec 15th 2020 at 10:54:46 PM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343613: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:56:39 PM

Mexico has congratulated Biden now.

PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#343614: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:17:45 PM

I live near one of the most public transport and walking friendly cities in the US, and purposely wanted somewhere I didn't need a car. But the public transport authorities all over the country are in bad positions and making cuts because people don't want to ride right now (for good reason), and definitely don't want to ride packed together (which helps the companies with their economies of scale).

And as public-transport friendly as my city is, the infrastructure is old and horrible and needs updates sooner than later, some of which were already in the works, but if they hadn't been left to suffer...

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A nice butterfly
#343615: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:21:49 PM

Public transportation is a monster of an issue that also has a lot to do with infraestructure. I dont think the trnsportation department gets to demand such expenses though?

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#343616: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:23:26 PM

@Fighteer: COVID has probably done more for reducing air travel than anything else could have. Even if tourism rebounds (which, as an avid traveller, I hope it will), a lot of businesses have discovered that a videoconference is far cheaper, far more time-efficient, and far more comfortable than flying several hours each way and spending two nights in a hotel in order to hold a 3hr meeting.

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#343617: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:29:16 PM

What could Trump have done to produce a different election outcome? Now contra Parscale I don't think that Trump-as-crisis-manager would have won in a landslide, but I think he would have stood a good chance. And I am sure that Trump's loyal base would not have objected, when have they ever objected to any of Trump's actions?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#343618: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:37:35 PM

[up]Granted, trump managing everything require him to not being a populist who constantly enrage is base.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#343619: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:43:35 PM

I don’t see the point in the “If Trump acted nothing like himself and had become a different person overnight, could he have won?” thought experiments.

Thought experiments make sense when you’re talking about engaging in different tactics, but the suggestion is for Trump to fundamentally go against both his personal nature and the nature of the Republican Party. They might as well have asked “If some totally different person who happened to also be named Trump was president, could they have won?”

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#343620: Dec 15th 2020 at 1:48:14 PM

[up]I will said some stuff maybe be usefull, have trump refrain himself in covid response he maybe have one.

The polarization of trump and republican base, ugly as it is, have is inteded efect in how many people still voted for him and still think there is a fraud even when proof run of the contary, because polarizaion wans is a strong, uver loyal fanbase.

how to counter that would be vital in the future.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#343621: Dec 15th 2020 at 2:10:22 PM

Arizona judge scraps election fraud lawsuit in which plaintiff was not a registered voter – "She lacks standing to challenge an election in which she did not vote and could not vote," Pinal County Superior Court Judge Kevin White ruled

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/arizona-election-fraud-lawsuit-which-plaintiff-staci-burk-not-registered-voter-dismissed/6511814002/

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343622: Dec 15th 2020 at 2:12:30 PM

That's a special type of self-own right there.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343624: Dec 15th 2020 at 2:22:49 PM

How many Cabinet level positions are left anyway? What's the demographic make-up so far?

PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#343625: Dec 15th 2020 at 2:23:27 PM

It's like it's not even a decent attempt at a lawsuit that would pass scrutiny. It's pathetic at this point.


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