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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#343501: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:32:00 PM

More like petulant. "You can't quit! You are FIRED!" That's what it sounds like, honestly.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#343502: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:46:35 PM

Just like his employees who dared to call out his shit and dare to find better jobs.

MFLuder Since: Jul, 2012
#343503: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:51:49 PM

I think a lot Trump supporters see everything in terms of Protagonist-Centered Morality with him as the protagonist.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#343504: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:52:31 PM

I used to wonder about the "Democracy dies—with thunderous applause." I assumed people in the Senate would want to AVOID giving up their power.

Seems not.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#343505: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:56:26 PM

In any event, Biden is now completely confirmed to have won, which is essentially the Death Knell of Trump attempting to flip the election.. not that he had a chance in hell of doing so in the first place.

Remains to be seen whether or not Trump'll grow some semblance of decency and concede, or just have his ass physically escorted out of the White House in January.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#343506: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:01:07 PM

Remains to be seen whether or not Trump'll grow some semblance of decency and concede, or just have his ass physically escorted out of the White House in January.

It really doesn't.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#343507: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:04:24 PM

@Pendrake Probably neither, actually. Trump did say that he'd leave The White House if the Electoral College voted against him, even if he does believe that the election was rigged.

So, he's probably not going to actually concede per se, and will probably still claim that he "totally won, guys", but that doesn't necessarily mean he intends to physically force the issue.

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#343508: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:05:59 PM

[up]He's probably gonna try to flee somewhere "safe" where he thinks he won't get his ass arrested. Of course just because he thinks he's out of the range of jurisdiction doesn't mean he actually is.

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#343509: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:09:20 PM

Mar-a-Lago. Trump's going to leave and sulk in Mar-a-Lago to avoid being caught on-camera being physically removed from the White House. He'll proclaim that he's totes the real President, that he made a tactical decision to occupy the Southern White House instead of the main one, and will spend the next four years Tweeting out Presidential declarations to his followers and performing stochastic terrorism.

Unless he's arrested, that is. I'm not confident that Trump will ever face any charges but it's a possibility.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343510: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:10:14 PM

So we've done a lot of "What went wrong?" discussions here since the election, so here's the flipside; ''Pod Save America'' interviewed messaging expert Anat Shenker-Osorio about what messaging tactics they used to flip the Rust Belt states back to Biden. Some key points:

  • Messaging was less about the opposition and more about "who we are and how we stand for and with each other." She used Minnesota as the example and talked about her organizers worked hard to define what it meant to be Minnesotan and how those traits could be used to appeal to the people of the state.

  • An example of the above was emphasizing "Fund Our Lives" as an alternative to "Defund the Police." Shenker-Osorio calls then the Yin-Yang to each other and credits the activists organizing and regular use of "Defund the Police" for creating the context for which "Fund Our Lives" could be understood and be a unifying rally cry.

  • Democrats are more defined by whatever the right flings at them than their own denials of the smears. Deflecting and avoiding answers ("I'm not for defunding the police!") doesn't help. Stating in no uncertain terms what you are for does ("I'm for directing more funds to mental health services and community engagement!").

  • When talking to people who get antsy about supporting something like BLM when they oppose Defund the Police, get to the core of why they feel that way, usually fear that there won't be any police to protect them: "You have to understand what the underlying psychological desire is and you have to meet that desire and you have to set in up in contrast to the present day which is both not meeting their actual desire, they're not getting what they need and what they want, and it is completely and totally unacceptable and unjust."

  • Calling so and so is racist or calling them out for saying racist things isn't good enough. You have to explain why they're being racist. She referred to it as "Explaining the dog whistle." Point out how they're dividing people, or shaming minorities "hoping we'll look the other way while they dismantle Social Security or distract us from their failures in the pandemic."

  • "Stop selling the recipe and start selling the brownie." Talking about policies, and Democrats arguing with each other over policies, is the recipe in this analogy and people aren't as interested in that as they are in the results of those policies, the brownie. Show the outcome of Democratic policies and make your case to voters with that.
    • Recipe: "Paid family leave!"
    • Brownie: "You're there the first time your newborn smiles!"
    • Recipe: "Raise the minimum wage!"
    • Brownie: "Every single one of us can make enough money to put food on the table and be home in time to eat it!"

  • Cast your audience as the hero, not the person running. Shenker-Osorio uses the Georgia Senate races for this, that Georgians need to hear they are the protagonists of this drama to excite them to vote. "They couldn't stop us from voting. They didn't stop us from counting. They will not keep us from swearing in Joe Biden and having the will of the people prevail. Georgia leads the way and if they think they can do anything to block us they got another thing coming. Georgia delivered for America and we're doing it again in January."

Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#343511: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:26:06 PM

Even with the EC officially casting their votes, some people STILL insist that GOP electors could overturn the results on January 6 with the help of Mike Pence and ongoing lawsuits.

Can someone please explain to me the logic behind this argument? I'm worried that they'll might pop a vein if they keep denying the writing on the wall.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343513: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:28:41 PM

Looks like Republican Senators are starting to acknowledge Biden's win now. Still unsure about the House though.

I really hope the Trumpers hold up to their promises to destroy the party through primaries/not voting.

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MFLuder Since: Jul, 2012
#343514: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:34:20 PM

[up]Reminds me of how in the '60s, when the Milwaukee Braves were about to move to Atlanta(Georgia, appropriately), angry fans organized boycotts of their games. Not sure what made them think that would make the team stay.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#343515: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:10:35 PM

Anger is not rational, and we are seeing a bunch that actively works to remain angry at imaginary injustices and just had their false invincibility shattered.

Edited by Blueace on Dec 14th 2020 at 12:11:08 PM

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minseok42 A Self-inflicted Disaster from A Six-Tatami Room (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#343516: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:59:16 PM

logic There's your problem

More like the lack of logic

Edited by minseok42 on Dec 15th 2020 at 12:59:33 AM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#343517: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:16:42 PM

that's what they just implied.

Trying to bring logic into it.

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#343518: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:27:38 PM

Re: He'll spend the next four years Tweeting out Presidential declarations to his followers and performing stochastic terrorism.

Some think he'll be blocked off Twitter since he'll lose all protection privilages.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#343519: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:52:09 PM

Twitter pretty much invented the public interest rule for Trump's sake. I'm not sure they have the balls to kick him off when it no longer applies.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#343520: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:52:54 PM

They've pretty much spent the last six months finding more and more ways to piss Trump off. At this point I imagine he'll cop a day one block the second he's out of office.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#343521: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:25:54 PM

Didn't they issue a statement saying that Trump would be subject to their rules like anyone else come January 21?

Edited by Perseus on Dec 15th 2020 at 5:26:00 AM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#343522: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:43:06 PM

They did indeed. evil grin

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#343523: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:51:17 PM

Their stated rationale for allowing Trump to say the things he's said is basically that the things the POTUS say constitute news in their eyes. Once Trump is out of office, that rationale no longer applies.

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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#343524: Dec 15th 2020 at 12:10:12 AM

[up]And it was always a handwave to not anger Trump too much.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343525: Dec 15th 2020 at 5:03:29 AM

Putin has congratulated Biden. I believe that leaves the Presidents of Brazil and Mexico as the big holdouts.

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