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#343426: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:30:08 AM

[up] You really aren't expecting Trump to follow that order, do you?

He will rant and lie and rant and lie as usual through the whole thing.

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#343427: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:31:50 AM

That site is paywalled, by the way. Is there another tracker?

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#343429: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:36:24 AM

36 electors would have to go faithless in order to flip this for Trump. That might not sound like a lot, but given that the electors were selected by the parties and some states actually forbid faithless electing, 36 faithless electors is kind of inconceivable. I wouldn't worry.

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#343430: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:39:21 AM

A lot of states will officially cast their votes in about half an hour, so we'll see the numbers skyrocket in a bit.

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#343431: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:42:57 AM

I'm not watching because nothing will happen, and if something happens, I will hear about it.

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#343432: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:45:03 AM

Aye, after 2016's faithless electors and attempts to subvert the result, I expect that this year the parties have made damn sure that only 100% loyal electors are chosen.

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#343433: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:00:05 AM

Didn't the Supreme Court also rule against faithless electors?

And there is no chance that one will flip on the Democratic side. They are hand picked loyalists. Like, Hillary Clinton is one for example

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#343434: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:01:44 AM

[up] They ruled that Electors have to follow State Laws. If States don't have laws that force Faithful Electing, then they can have Faithless Electors. However, in 2016, the only States with Faithless Electors were Texas, Washington State and Hawaii. Maybe Biden can win 307 Electors by swiping one from Texas?

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Dec 14th 2020 at 12:02:56 PM

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#343435: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:03:04 AM

Pastor Mark Burns is claiming Trump will pardon Julian Assange.

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#343436: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:04:42 AM

Does Trump have any kind of interest in Assange? Any statements on record?

I thought at this point Assange’s rep and credibility was shot

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#343437: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:06:43 AM

Trump is throwing pardons around like candy in hopes it can make people avoid testifying against him and just general spite. Assange sold any dignity he had a hacktivist to help Trump because he wanted out of that embassy. I hope it was fucking worth it.

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#343438: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:40:39 AM

I'm surprised none of Trump's attempts to overturn the election involved Assange or Snowden, however unlikely their involvement would help.

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#343439: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:43:02 AM

Assange didn't have any dignity to begin with. He was a Russian intelligence patsy left to flounder in an Ecuadorian embassy because he didn't make it to Russia before the noose closed around his neck.

The Russians wanted Assange to destabilize the U.S., and the Russians wanted Trump to destabilize the U.S. Assange and Trump play for the same team. Why wouldn't Assange have helped Trump?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 14th 2020 at 10:44:12 AM

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#343440: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:46:18 AM

...He's still there?

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#343441: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:54:57 AM

(checks tracker again) Whew, looks like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada and Arizona all stayed the course for Biden. Still waiting on Michigan though.

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#343442: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:03:04 AM

Well, I remember when Assange was still the hero of the internet, way back when. That was before his arrest warrant and asylum, and before most people knew of his shadier dealings, I assume.

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#343443: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:07:59 AM

I thought the Wikileaks guy was always the bad guy.

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#343444: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:32:08 AM

Russian hackers breached the Departments of Treasury, Commerce, and Homeland Security.

The hackers, linked to Russian spy agencies, were able to monitor internal emails... and may have compromised other bodies, in what is being described as a highly sophisticated state-level attack.

Security agencies in the UK and elsewhere were also scrambling to assess the impact on their systems – while the revelation was deemed so grave it led to a national security council meeting at the White House over the weekend.

Reminder that Homeland Security is in charge of preventing this from happening in the first place.

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#343445: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:32:37 AM

[up][up] I've always thought that too. As an activist, it's important to know that not everyone that's trying to stick it to The Man is actually on your side. Some people just want to watch the country burn - and many of those are on the payroll of a different country. It's a special kind of Americentric worldview that forgets that the U.S. has foreign enemies who are very interested in sticking it to our The Man.

Assange isn't a whistleblower. He's the owner and operator for an all-purposes leaking website, dedicated to revealing to the world as many American state secrets as physically possible. That's not whistleblowing. That's espionage. Assange does espionage. So I was super not surprised when we found out that he does espionage for Russia specifically.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:32:52 AM

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#343446: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:45:51 AM

I thought the Wikileaks guy was always the bad guy.

It's hard to call someone who exposed treacherous double dealing, murder of journalists, and propping up of dictatorships as the bad guy. The Arab Spring was partially because of the revelations about Assad and other Middle Eastern regimes.

Assange isn't a whistleblower. He's the owner and operator for an all-purposes leaking website, dedicated to revealing to the world as many American state secrets as physically possible. That's not whistleblowing. That's espionage. Assange does espionage. So I was super not surprised when we found out that he does espionage for Russia specifically.

The people who kept those secrets were terrorists and should be treated as terrorists. They did monstrous evil on a nearly unimaginable scale. Assange's actions with Private Manning did more good than a thousand smaller leakers in exposing those documents.

Mind you, its complete bullshit to pretend Assange was notable in this as well. Assange published first but the Guardian and others fuly intended to do as well.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:50:15 AM

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#343447: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:47:11 AM

Maybe, but that's not the narrative I was hearing back then, even on Ars Technica. People were very happy with his leaks at first.

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#343448: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:48:55 AM

I think the leaks were a moral imperative.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:50:38 AM

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#343449: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:57:44 AM

Even if they were, they weren't done in good faith. Assange was not a hero of the people. He was not a friend to Americans. He was a foreign actor engaging in espionage.

Sometimes foreign actors engaging in espionage hit things that are good for them to have hit. Because our government is genuinely up to some shady shit. But when you clap the foreign agent on the back and celebrate his espionage, you don't get to be surprised when he continues engaging in espionage and starts revealing shit you didn't want revealed. He was never on your side. He was just a foreign agent doing espionage.

Julian Assange was a hungry raccoon who burrowed into the house and devoured a rat that was causing problems. And while some people were busy celebrating the raccoon and calling him Mr. Pickles, the raccoon proceeded to help himself to the contents of the fridge, and then shit on the floor. Because he wasn't a pet. He'd never been a pet. He was just a hungry raccoon.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:59:23 AM

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#343450: Dec 14th 2020 at 11:57:47 AM

Just because some of the info he leaked was good, doesn't mean State Secrets being given to the entire world is a good thing.

As was mentioned previously, Assange is a spy. He's actually guilty of treason. And was paid for it.

Also, I think "Morality" goes out the window when people can die because of it.

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