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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343376: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:45:31 AM

Because not everyone can afford to buy a house? Or do you expect the state to provide housing for everyone?

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343377: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:52:08 AM

About the White House vaccinations, I actually disagree with Trump's decision. I think political leadership is generally critical enough to be first to get vaccinated.

That goes doubly so for the White House, who have had far too many outbreaks already as it is.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#343378: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:01:55 AM

Does the White House really need vaccines when much of it has already been infected?

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#343379: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:06:24 AM

Do we really need to evacuate the last dozen survivors when the rest of the city has already been destroyed?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#343380: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:17:36 AM

In theory, the people running our government should be high priority for a vaccine. In practice, they aren't doing much actual running of the government, so...

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343381: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:20:05 AM

If we're going by morals, half the country wouldn't get a vaccine, so let's not start down that road.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#343382: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:21:43 AM

Half of me wants a mandatory vaccine right now, so we can force baby Trump to take his medicine.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#343383: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:22:27 AM

[up][up]We aren't going by morals, though. We're going by competence ("they aren't doing much actual running of the government") and pragmatism ("Does the White House really need vaccines when much of it has already been infected?").

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 14th 2020 at 6:23:30 AM

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#343384: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:24:53 AM

[up][up][up]That said, it's not like that half wants a vaccine, as they think it's all a hoax...

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#343385: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:25:52 AM

People who have already been infected by COVID should still get the vaccine, though.

clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#343386: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:28:58 AM

If Trump does not want to take the vaccine, let him be. It is possible to be re-infected with Covid even if you've survived it. If Trump and Miller and McEnany get the virus by choosing not to take the vaccine, whatever happens, happens. We don't care what happens to them.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#343387: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:29:09 AM

So you think they should be evicted if that doesn't happen?

Not under the present emergency circumstances. Under normal circumstances, yes - landlords aren't running a charity.

@Raineh Daze: Public housing would be nice. Over here, it tends to be fucked over by the nimbyism you mention on one end, and well-intentioned mismanagement on the other (such as "drug free public housing," where any drug use gets you thrown out).

What needs to be done is some kind of federal intervention against the NIMBY zoning regs, allowing the creation of studio and one-bedroom apartments that'll collapse the real estate market, hopefully this time for good. Unfortunately, doing that would drive the AARP into the Republicans' welcoming arms.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343388: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:30:06 AM

That's beside the point. We shouldn't hand out vaccines based on morals or competency or whatever else. Everyone has an equal right to the vaccine, regardless of how useful they are to society and whatnot.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343389: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:36:41 AM

I think political leadership is generally critical enough to be first to get vaccinated.

What political leadership?

Seriously, if your argument that Trump should get the vaccine first is solely based on the need for political leadership...Trump hasn't been providing that. At all.

For the last four years.

Edited by M84 on Dec 14th 2020 at 10:38:27 PM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#343390: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:39:23 AM

Why would Trump get the vaccine?

He thinks he got "cured forever" just by getting it once (and pumped up on a extremely limited edition of a medical cocktail that the public has zero access to in order to fight of the disease...) and not backing down from that claim.

Besides, those in need of it the most would be the medical personnel that has been struggling the whole year with risk at their lives to deal and still dealing with it...

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343391: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:09:52 AM

I'm talking about politicians in general, not just Trump. And again, vaccination should not be based on who the person getting vaccinated is. We don't want to go down that road.

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Lost in Space
#343392: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:10:21 AM

You're right. We should get medical personnel vaccinated first and politicians later.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 14th 2020 at 10:10:51 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343393: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:11:20 AM

[up][up]You're the one who tried to make the claim that political leadership should get dibs on the vaccine.

And again, what political leadership? The entire administration from Trump to Pence to the Cabinet are all a bunch of incompetent selfish corrupt chucklefucks.

[up]Exactly. People who are at the highest risk should be the first ones to be vaccinated.

Edited by M84 on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:13:55 PM

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#343394: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:26:34 AM

As little as I care about T****'s personal fate concerning Covid, the fact is that his base will mindlessly follow his lead, and if Trump sabotages vaccination efforts, this is going to hurt the entire United States (if not the entire world when those unvaccinated americans travel) by greatly increasing the time it takes for the virus to be eradicated. As distasteful as it is, we need T**** to convince people to get vaccinated, and if that requires him getting the first doses, then so be it.

Edited by Resileafs on Dec 14th 2020 at 10:46:13 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343395: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:32:33 AM

The Trumpists who don't want to get vaccinated aren't going to change their minds if Trump does it. They'll just blame the deep state or Big Pharma or whatever for manipulating Trump.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343396: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:34:35 AM

So Biden shouldn't get the vaccine either, then?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343397: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:35:40 AM

[up]Not before people at higher risk, no.

Edited by M84 on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:36:20 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343398: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:35:58 AM

There is merit to getting politicians vaccinated early, though not before healthcare workers, first responders, and the residents of homecare facilities, and the like. They do vital work (well, when Mitch isn't holding up the entire Senate anyway), travel a lot, meet with other essential employees who also travel, and tend to be packed together while at work.

Plus, if they have their staffers snap a picture while they are getting their shot, they can Tweet that out as a good example.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343399: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:36:29 AM

Well, don't blame me if he gets sick and dies, then.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343400: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:37:11 AM

[up][up]That's all I'm saying. A lot more people should take priority.

[up] ...What?

Edited by M84 on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:37:30 PM

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