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#343226: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:55:41 AM

But not that right...

I'd say Classical liberals tend to be fairly right-wing, in the "let the poor die" sense rather than the more explicitly reactionary or authoritarian sense.

Ugh, New Atheism. What a hot mess of reactionary, petulant bullshit that turned out to be.

Agreed.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 13th 2020 at 7:56:34 AM

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#343227: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:01:31 AM

Don't get me wrong: I'm looking forward to the first openly atheist President, but they need not to be an asshole about it, like Richard Dawkins.

I think New Atheism set actual political atheism back about a decade because their behavior was so unpleasant and only attracted a coterie of neckbeards, especially after Bush left office and their raison d'etre was no longer around. I dunno, I think the emergence of the Religious Left post-2010 has normalized belief in God more strongly in the public sphere than when it was just a right-wing thing to be pious. Wouldn't be surprised if atheists keep hitting a ceiling because of it.

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#343228: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:01:49 AM

[up][up][up][up] Said people also lead to others leaving the faith. People like that in the church I went to with my parents led to me leaving it. I don't like being called a heathen for pointing out the flaws in your logic when you're trying to use the religion to justify your bigotry.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Dec 13th 2020 at 11:01:56 AM

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#343229: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:02:32 AM

So a lot of outlets are speculating over who is going to be Biden's AG. New names keep popping up but most everyone agrees that Trump has so thoroughly gutted the executive branch of experienced people and working knowledge that Biden's most important staff picks have been determined by A) Do they have the experience to get the department running back on full blast on day one and B) Does Biden personally trust this person.

So I'm betting Fighteer's next paycheck that it'll be Doug Jones.

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#343230: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:18:47 AM

So I'm betting Fighteer's next paycheck that it'll be Doug Jones.

I'd pray for you to suffer for this, but I'm an atheist, so that's out. Damn.

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#343231: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:30:45 AM

Plus it'd probably be worth the money.

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#343232: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:45:33 AM

Are we betting with Fighteer's money now? What does he get if we lose?

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#343233: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:48:57 AM

Nothing.

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#343234: Dec 13th 2020 at 8:51:42 AM

This is the kind of infighting among Democrats that the left cannot afford. Just saying.

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#343235: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:03:11 AM

Kind of what I've meant to get at previously. Some folks on the left don't like to be reminded that they're just as capable of being bigots as rights.

Your belief on the political spectrum doesn't automatically make you faultless, or morally superior.

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#343236: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:04:46 AM

Who are we talking about again?

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#343237: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:06:20 AM

My fictional money is also on Jones. There seems to be a trend where when multiple names are proposed, Biden chooses the good option/ not the option that infuriates people.

Also, quick aside. I couldn't remember at first where I saw it, but RE globalist, I don't really think of it myself as something except for an antisemitic dog-whistle, but I remembered that a casting announcement for Shang Chi And The Legend Of The Five Rings describes the villain, the Mandarin as a "globalist" in reference to his public image as some kind of international philanthropist. Not in reference to his actual role as leader of an evil global conspiracy.

So yeah, I guess there really is a neutral-to-positive meaning of "globalist".

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#343238: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:13:59 AM

Well globalism is a generally positive thing versus tribalism.

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#343239: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:14:01 AM

Yes, well, "Globalist" was first coined as a neutral/positive term.

But like several dozen other words of the English language, someone hijacked them and placed their own definition. As usual.

Case in point, the just mentioned Tribalism, which, again, Lefts are just as capable of showing as Rights, as it's literally "beliefs and attitudes stemming from strong loyalty to one's own tribe/social group."

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 13th 2020 at 9:19:37 AM

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#343240: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:16:51 AM

Of course, and most politicians these days are globalists politically speaking, because there really isn't any way around dealing with global politics these days. Most countries can't really afford to go it alone, so they have to adhere to globalism to some extent.

[up][up] I think the proper opposite of globalism would be isolationism.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 13th 2020 at 6:17:31 PM

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#343241: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:17:00 AM

Not to derail, but I'm trying to think of what would be a better term and I'm coming up blank. I guess maybe Internationalist, although I think that has some specific political science meaning. Also potentially Cosmopolitan, although that one is also often used as an antisemitic dog-whistle.

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#343242: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:18:47 AM

I think the problem isn't globalism but the people against it are usually anti-Semetic America First types.

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#343243: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:23:11 AM

I think the problem is more the fact the US made most of the world dependant on it (and vice versa), which means trying to go Isolationist with "America First" just hurt people.

Not sure what Anti-Semitism has to do with that at all, specially given I'm fairly sure there were tons of Jews in favor of it too.

On a side note, I'm meaning the current policy, not the political movement started in the US back in 1940, and then promptly died in '41 after the Pearl Harbor attack.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 13th 2020 at 9:29:35 AM

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#343244: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:27:16 AM

Biden told civil rights leaders in private meeting that progressives' hopes for executive actions are 'way beyond the bounds' of his presidential authority

Biden has committed to achieving absolutely nothing if we lose the runoffs.

I'm not shocked considering his record but it's still disgusting. The leftists who were skeptical of his ability to implement meaningful change were entirely right.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 13th 2020 at 9:30:02 AM

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#343245: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:31:37 AM

Without the Senate, the Executive's ability to do literally anything at all is very limited. Executive Orders can only stretch so far.

Bernie being POTUS wouldn't change the Executive's dependency on the Legislative in the slightest. Downballot races matter.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 13th 2020 at 9:32:27 AM

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#343246: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:33:30 AM

Without the Senate, the Executive's ability to do literally anything at all is very limited. Executive Orders can only stretch so far.

Bernie being POTUS wouldn't change the Executive's dependency on the Legislative in the slightest.

This response is very strange to me, if you have a limited amount of tools then arbitrarily and unnecessarily restricting yourself further should be unthinkable.

Yes, you're right that Bernie Sanders would also be in a bad position. But guess what? He wouldn't make it worse. Neither would Warren, or any actual progressive.

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#343247: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:34:44 AM

In fairness, getting the Novel Coronavirus dealt with is likely to be his primary focus for most of his presidency anyways. As pissed off as that makes anyone trying to push a political agenda, it honestly is the right move in my eyes.

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#343248: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:35:24 AM

I suspect that Biden is hoping that his relationship with McConnell will allow him to forgo the need for broad executive orders by getting a bipartisan consensus on legislation. He's probably wrong, but hopefully he'll figure that out soon.

Edited by thok on Dec 13th 2020 at 9:35:47 AM

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#343249: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:35:42 AM

Executive orders can be struck down in court. It's trivially easy to issue an injunction against one, since the lower courts are so packed with conservative thugs.

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#343250: Dec 13th 2020 at 9:36:23 AM

[up][up]You say “most of his presidency,” but I see no reason to expect that to take longer than the first year to have everything he needs to do to take care of it done.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Dec 13th 2020 at 12:36:33 PM

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