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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#343201: Dec 13th 2020 at 4:52:32 AM

It's funny how both sides of the aisle act like infighting is more prominent on the other side. Right wingers say the left eats itself. The left wingers say the right eats itself.

Don't... both sides do that? The whole ideological purity thing? Or am I mistaken and it really IS the right that mostly does it?

Leftwingers generally don't take it to the extremes the Trumpists are taking it now. Y'know, shit like death threats as seen in Georgia.

Yeah. It's also been mentioned that no deaths have ever been conclusively linked to Antifa, while the Right has Kyle Rittenhouse just to start.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 13th 2020 at 4:54:22 AM

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#343202: Dec 13th 2020 at 5:05:12 AM

Yeah internal Dem conflicts don’t tend to escalate beyond Twitter, now Twitter is a nasty place full of terrible people and some of them probably do need legal intervention, but the Republican internal conflicts have already reached the level of more direct death threats.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#343203: Dec 13th 2020 at 5:25:24 AM

The Republicans tend to be more openly unified - one the party’s direction becomes clear, everyone on the right falls in line. That means that ever since Trump’s election, they’ve fallen in line with the far-right. The immediate situation - elements of the far-right rejecting them for being unable to change reality or steal the election, despite their attempts - is strange for them. And violence is typical of the far-right rather than of the left.

Democrats have more open ideological disagreements between centrists, liberals, and leftists, but they occur within the bounds of the law. They’re often less able to present a unified political front. While the Republicans will more rightward in lockstep when the party tells them to, centrist Democrats are much less willing to support progressive policies.

Edited by Galadriel on Dec 13th 2020 at 8:28:08 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#343204: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:18:21 AM

Joe Biden "will be removed one way or another," Alex Jones tells pro-Trump march – Some people responded to Jones' speech by saying he was inciting violence against the president-elect—and that the Secret Service and FBI should know about it.

https://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-million-maga-march-trump-supporters-joe-biden-removed-1554361

     The Story 
Conspiracy theorist and internet personality Alex Jones told a crowd of pro-Trump protesters in Washington, D.C. on Saturday that President-elect Joe Biden "will be removed one way or another," while addressing the protesters from a stage.

In a clip shared on Twitter, the Infowars owner spoke to protesters at the second Million MAGA March, where supporters of President Donald Trump fought against the results of the election, which show that he lost to Biden.

Jones, who has shared a number of disproven conspiracy theories in his online show and podcast, seemingly referenced the far-right QAnon conspiracy, which alleges that Trump is secretly fighting against a cult of Democratic Satanic pedophiles. QAnon has been widely dismissed and disproven. Jones also seemingly suggested that Biden is actually an undead entity.

"We will never back down to the Satanic pedophile, globalist New World Order and their walking-dead reanimated corpse Joe Biden, and we will never recognize him," he said.

Jones continued, alleging that Trump had no connections to Russia, but implied that Biden did. "President Trump had zero connection to Russians. No proof. Four years of investigation. With the Bidens, it's open and shut," he shouted. This is seemingly a reference to conspiracy theories and allegations that Biden's son Hunter was involved in international corruption. Hunter Biden is currently being investigated for his business dealings by the Justice Department, as the Biden transition team revealed on Wednesday.

Jones also accused Biden of being a "globalist" before saying he'll be removed. While not explicitly violent, Jones' speech is certainly suggestive of violent action being taken against the president-elect. As previously reported, there have been numerous videos that have surfaced of violent altercations between people identified as Proud Boys and counter-protesters.

Lincoln Project Florida Steering Committee member David Weissman noted that Jones' remarks could be considered anti-Semitic and suggested that he should be arrested for inciting violence. Some people responded to Weissman by suggesting that people tip off the FBI about Jones and his comments.

Others shared similar thoughts on Twitter, some tagging the FBI's and Secret Service's accounts, asking for Jones to be investigated for inciting violence and to be charged with treason.

Other videos have surfaced of Jones sharing conspiracies about "world government" and the election being "stolen" from Trump. "World government is here, and the system is publicly stealing this election from the biggest landslide and the biggest political realignment since 1776," he said.

Videos earlier in the day showed Jones participating in the march, with groups of supporters surrounding him. Some protesters around Jones chanted "1776."

Newsweek reached out to Infowars for comment.

The thing about Alex Jones that's really stuck with me: According to The Last Podcast on the Left, even Bill Cooper, considered the father of modern day conspiracy theory, thought Jones was full of shit.

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#343205: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:34:14 AM

Jones also accused Biden of being a "globalist" before saying he'll be removed.

And the mask comes off. Kinda.

No, Alex, he's a Catholic. He might be a lapsed Catholic, but every Catholic is. It's just such a Catholic thing to be.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343206: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:37:40 AM

What is meant by globalist here?

And yeah, that sounded like a veiled call for assassination.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#343207: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:39:05 AM

Globalist in the alt-right dipshit language means Jews. Chances are if you hear someone complaining about globalists they are outing themselves as a neo-nazi.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343208: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:41:20 AM

Ah, right. I was wondering, since in the traditional meaning, pretty much all politicians are globalists to some extent.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#343209: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:44:37 AM

I cannot even bring myself to hate Alex Jones, because he is nothing more than a pathetic shell of a man.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#343210: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:44:47 AM

At the very least it's outing yourself as an isolationist/nationalist, like "We don't need to work with other countries on anything because we're the GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE GROVELING AT OUR FEET!!!" Which is not only an obnoxious attitude but unrealistic in today's more-connected-than-ever world. We should be working together, not battling for dominance like some zero-sum game.

And yeah, FBI, sic 'em. That was a pretty blatant call for an assassination.

Edited by speedyboris on Dec 13th 2020 at 6:51:34 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#343211: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:47:24 AM

Ah, right. I was wondering, since in the traditional meaning, pretty much all politicians are globalists to some extent.

Gonna be honest, never in my life have I heard the word "globalist" and have it not turn out to be an antisemitic dogwhistle.

Globalisation =/= "globalist".

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Dec 13th 2020 at 3:48:21 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343212: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:50:44 AM

Funny thing is, Biden isn't even lapsed. He attends Church almost every Sunday, and did so as VP to. He's one of the most openly religious active Democrats, and stands out among them because he isn't African American.

If he continues to do as President, he would stand out as even religious Presidents (Obama, Bush 43) tend to worship privately lately. Probably a security and schedule thing.

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#343213: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:52:13 AM

They also don't realize that if Biden dies, they get Kamela, a black/Asian woman, as the president instead.

Edited by CookingCat on Dec 13th 2020 at 6:52:58 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343214: Dec 13th 2020 at 6:55:34 AM

Globalism is a legitimate political term, as per Wikipedia. The problem is more that it has been co-opted by racist groups.

And I think we should not let dog whistles and racists deter us from using terms in their legitimate meanings. If they appropriate them, then we should appropriate them right back.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#343215: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:09:27 AM

That's not, and never has been, how it works. If you start saying "Joe Biden is a globalist", all you're going to do is make people think you're a neo-Nazi.

Say he's for stronger foreign relations or is in favor of supporting America's allies abroad, or whatever. But saying he's a globalist means something different now, and at best, all you'll be doing is acting as a smokescreen for the people who turned it into a dogwhistle.

It's been fun.
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#343216: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:11:26 AM

It's kind of funny that no-one really cares that Biden is a Catholic, but in the 1960s with JFK some people were worried that a Catholic president might be more loyal to the Pope

Edited by Xopher001 on Dec 13th 2020 at 5:12:40 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343217: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:14:53 AM

If anything, I'd rather have a less religious president, considering all the trouble evangelicals are causing.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#343218: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:15:35 AM

I think we can all agree that we shouldn't be using racist and/or antisemitic dogwhistles.

[up]Also, let's not go all anti-religion here just because a lot of Evangelicals are causing problems. Especially since Joe Biden is not an Evangelical.

I say this as an atheist.

Edited by M84 on Dec 13th 2020 at 11:16:53 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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Lost in Space
#343219: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:15:47 AM

Globalism is a real thing, but like "liberal" it's been co-opted into a term of hate by the right-wing. Which is weird because classical liberals often align right.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#343220: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:25:58 AM

I think there is a point when words can no longer be dissociated from their dogwhistling usage, because the association in people's minds is too strong. 'Globalist', IMO, has already passed the point - I see it almost exclusively used in anti-Semitic ways.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343221: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:26:02 AM

Biden has broken with his Church on many social issues (LGBT rights, contraception, abortion). The idea that his religion is a problem just comes across as New Atheist style bigotry with no logic behind it.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#343222: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:27:36 AM

Well, that's good then.

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Lost in Space
#343223: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:27:54 AM

Don't get me wrong: I'm looking forward to the first openly atheist President, but they need not to be an asshole about it, like Richard Dawkins.

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#343224: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:29:25 AM

[up]x5 But not that right...

Seriously though, there are a lot of nice people who happen to be religious, it's just that figures like Mike Pence and Phil Robertson give them a bad name.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#343225: Dec 13th 2020 at 7:52:33 AM

Ugh, New Atheism. What a hot mess of reactionary, petulant bullshit that turned out to be.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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