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#343077: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:10:04 PM

Donnie drank too much covfefe and thus is too hyper to join them.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343078: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:10:07 PM

Something poetic about Trump rising to power on culture war bullshit like the War on Christmas... and then ending his failed presidency refusing to show up to his own Christmas party.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#343079: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:34:06 PM

Texas GOP House Rep Dan Crenshaw helped plant envidence to smear the credibility of a military rape veteran.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#343080: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:57:51 PM

Dan Crenshaw is evil incarnate. He thinks that because he's a veteran that lost an eye, that everything he says is a moral absolute. Just today he talked about "The Left" as if they're an enemy to be fought and not roughly half of the countries political alignment. Truly disgusting individual.

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Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#343081: Dec 11th 2020 at 8:41:45 PM

Oh, sweet, sweet MAG At tears. As I suspected, the Trumpian base immediately accused the SCOTUS of being compromised by the deep state of whatever and are now calling for civil war or martial law.

Fucking pathetic, these "don't tread on me" folks.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#343082: Dec 11th 2020 at 8:44:30 PM

"Fuck your feelings", amirite?

Seriously, though... economically and politically the rest of the U.S. would be better off if a large chunk of the red states seceded, and those states would be a third-world country. Of course, it would be unstable and probably bleed refugees, so probably better not to.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 11th 2020 at 11:54:40 AM

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#343083: Dec 11th 2020 at 8:54:26 PM

Yeah, but all the innocent people living in those states would be screwed.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#343084: Dec 11th 2020 at 8:55:26 PM

wouldn't that lead to the Democrats' urban bastions in red states taking over control of the seceded state governments due to the sheer numbers of people who live in the cities instead of the conservative-dominated countryside?

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#343085: Dec 11th 2020 at 8:55:43 PM

[up][up]More than they already are? Let me be clear: I don't support this for a variety of reasons. But the people calling for it are really not thinking their positions through.

[up] I'm not sure how that follows. If they can't control their states now, why would they be able to after this secession?

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 11th 2020 at 11:56:15 AM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#343086: Dec 11th 2020 at 9:50:00 PM

How ironic(/moronic) how, before the election, it was the MA Ggots who were the ones stockpiling guns and ammo as "preparation for self-defense" once (in their heads) they fully expected the Democrats to "reject the election results and start a civil war" once Trump "won the election again".

Big surprise, turns out that the MA Ggots were doing the standard projection of their own intentions again.

...

Out of curiosity, what would happen if the MA Ggots and the Trump Death Cult tried to secede from the United States?

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#343087: Dec 11th 2020 at 10:01:57 PM

Depends how much being white pays off for them on a given day.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#343088: Dec 11th 2020 at 10:02:29 PM

[up][up] More than likely they'd be gung-ho about it at first until the bullets started flying. Some will still go along with it after that due to a combination of blind devotion and sheer hatred for the other side but some will quickly lose this bravado when their safety is put in danger.

Edited by Kaiseror on Dec 11th 2020 at 12:02:45 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#343089: Dec 11th 2020 at 10:09:05 PM

The last time there was an attempt to secede, it ended poorly.

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#343090: Dec 11th 2020 at 10:42:25 PM

Historically it didn't end well, and while right wingers talk a big game they're not exactly organised or prepared to wage a literal war against the US military.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#343091: Dec 11th 2020 at 11:06:12 PM

Seriously, though... economically and politically the rest of the U.S. would be better off if a large chunk of the red states seceded, and those states would be a third-world country. Of course, it would be unstable and probably bleed refugees, so probably better not to.

Is it weird I feel like this is the kind of logic that led to partitioning nations in the British Empire and what a HORRIBLE idea that proved to be?

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#343092: Dec 12th 2020 at 12:16:06 AM

You can't just chop off parts of a polity that's been trending towards centralization and expect the nascent nations to be functional.

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#343093: Dec 12th 2020 at 12:43:16 AM

@shaoken: pretty much.

As the saying goes, "Talk is cheap."

Actually doing something that involves risking your own ass will have a lot less volunteers. Especially when it's blatantly obvious you don't stand a chance in hell of succeeding, i.e. the fact that the SERVING Military (and National Guard) are at least 80% Biden supporters. Not necessarily Democrats, but they voted for the guy who hasn't been plainly insulting them half his life.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#343094: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:02:30 AM

The idea that you can just divorce "red" state and "blue" states is an awful one on all levels, and one people should generally stop entertaining.


[up] Do you have a source for that?


[down] Who?

Edited by nova92 on Dec 12th 2020 at 1:13:25 AM

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#343097: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:24:26 AM

And again I'm reminded of the subgenre of conservative speculative fiction about "the liberals" refusing to cede power after they lose an election and using violent means to hang on to their power. Who would've guessed that would come close to happening, but championed by the conservatives? (Other than people familiar with "projection" and the right's tendency towards it...)

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#343098: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:27:33 AM

Who would've guessed that would come close to happening, but championed by the conservatives?

Anyone who's aware of the dumpster fire that is Republican ideology?

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
#343099: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:39:40 AM

@nova92: The Military vote was 4:1 in favor of Biden when it came in. Add to that his deceased son was a decorated national guardsman, and Biden himself didn't try to dodge the draft, unlike a certain orange asshole we all know who paid someone to fake bone spurs. Joe just couldn't serve due to asthma making him unfit for duty.

As for Trump insulting the Military... literally listen to him to any time it comes up in a debate.

Edited by Pendrake on Dec 12th 2020 at 1:41:25 AM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#343100: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:44:45 AM

That was military and overseas ballots (as in, US citizens living overseas), not just military, though. Pre-election polls showed Trump and Biden running about even on active military voters, though a good chunk were undecided.

Edited by nova92 on Dec 12th 2020 at 1:46:00 AM


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