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#343026: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:11:09 PM
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#343027: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:21:45 PM

Think you may want to rephrase that since it conflates political figures as being synonymous with political movements. It's one thing to be critical towards certain kinda of criticisms, but dismissively thinking that all critics are enemies of progression is self defeating and self aggrandizing.

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#343028: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:26:17 PM

[up]If they constantly oppose progressive politicians there's no reason to believe that they accept the movements, the establishment Dems who have displayed relentless hostility to AOC (as seen most recently with them blaming her for the down-ballot results) are most certainly enemies of progress and would prefer us to either do nothing or much less then needed.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#343029: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:32:40 PM

I consider any AOC or Bernie critics among Democratic politicians to be enemies of progression in America and think they need to be removed from office. I used to have a lot of slack but their constant attempts to blame "radical politics" shows them they're the same scum on the side of the GOP. They deserve to go down in the dustbin of history and are the reason we keep losing to the GOP.

The Justice Dems ran like 70-something candidates in 2018. The vast majority lost. Not a single one flipped a district from red to blue. And constantly saying any in office who have criticisms of AOC and Bernie are scum on the side of the GOP when they've been fighting the GOP isn't helping this case.

[up]If they constantly oppose progressive politicians there's no reason to believe that they accept the movements, the establishment Dems who have displayed relentless hostility to AOC (as seen most recently with them blaming her for the down-ballot results) are most certainly enemies of progress and would prefer us to either do nothing or much less then needed.

AOC was trying to launch mass primaries before she was even in office. She goes out of her way to pick fights with her colleagues and provide extra headaches, said in her ideal system she and Joe Biden wouldn't even be members of the same party...but it's the party's fault she's terrible at working with her own caucus and retaining allies? She couldnt even let a comment from Joe Manchin pass without the most petty and immature response.

You don't see the same hostility to Pramilla Jayapal, Mark Pocan, Raul Grijalva or Ayanna Pressly, since they don't go out of their way to be antagonistic forces to their own allies. I would also like to see when AOC was "blamed" for the downballot response?

Pelosi gave money to Omar and AOC was still whining the establishment was trying to unseat her because Omar had a challenger who got like no support.

Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 11th 2020 at 12:39:07 PM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#343030: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:35:41 PM

Overdramatic purity politics are just as unhelpful as mindless centrism.

They should have sent a poet.
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#343031: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:38:57 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#343032: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:39:55 PM

I don't 'hate everything progressive.' I like plenty progressive politicians. I don't like AOC or Bernie and I resent being told that critics of them are enemies of progress and belong with the people currently trying to implement a fascist coup.

Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 11th 2020 at 12:42:07 PM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#343033: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:42:05 PM

On the last page Septimus (a mod) literally told us to drop this unless we had concrete new things to go over. And while I certainly like AOC and Bernie, I have to agree I don't think anything new and concrete is being added at this point.

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#343037: Dec 11th 2020 at 1:13:46 PM

Ironically, wouldn't that itself be a form of overturning/ refusing to acknowledge their election?

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#343038: Dec 11th 2020 at 1:14:18 PM

I'm curious what Barr's game here is. Is he trying to score brownie points (and keeping some in his piggy bank) in case Biden's Do J decides to be vengeful?

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#343039: Dec 11th 2020 at 1:15:41 PM

[up][up]

Fucking hell, and Crenshaw did this to a fellow SEAL - one would typically consider them a Band of Brothers, so his actions there are extra heinous. Hell, he apparently served alongside her to boot! And naturally, Crenshaw refused to answer questions from the investigation into the whole thing.

Also, the one-week spending bill passed, and fuck Rand Paul's posturing on that shit, considering that we're discussing an outgoing President's potential ability to hamstring an incoming administration by making sweeping changes just before the desk changes hands. Under any other Presidency, that decorum likely wouldn't change (barring some massive shift during the Lame Duck period), but Trump is absolutely the kind of short-sighted, selfish ass to pull that kind of stunt regardless of who gets hurt.

Edited by ironballs16 on Dec 11th 2020 at 4:30:02 AM

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#343040: Dec 11th 2020 at 1:38:53 PM

[up][up] Barr is probably smart enough to have not actually committed any crimes with all the shit he’s done (in large part because the law is written so that what he’s done isn’t a crime), part of avoiding committing such crimes probably involved making sure Trump didn’t learn anything that would cause him to directly order Barr to commit crimes.

Barr will have always been looking out for himself first, that means not risking personal criminal charges from a Biden administration. Unlike Rudi I suspect Barr knows exactly where the line between “immoral monster who technically didn’t break the law and will thus get away with what he did” and “immoral monster who bought into his own lies and broke several laws thinking he was untouchable” is.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#343041: Dec 11th 2020 at 1:39:27 PM

Barr is a corrupt amoral monster, but he is indeed a smart one. You can't be a good fixer if you're not.

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#343042: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:12:21 PM

[up]x3 Did the Dems just let the bill pass with the streaming felony law?

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#343043: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:24:58 PM

I'm looking at the bill on Congress's website and I'm not seeing the Tillis's streaming amendment anywhere, but I could be missing something.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#343044: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:27:45 PM

I think that it was just a stopgap bill to fund the government for a week.

...I think the way budgets are handled in the US (particularly what happens when they don't pass) are the most baffling thing as far as politics go.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#343045: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:33:02 PM

The Senate did approve the NDAA sometime today with a veto proof majority (84-13) and it includes the legislation to change the names of bases with Confederate names and doesn't include the repeal of section 230.

Again, I didn't find anything with Tillis's name on it or by6 searching for streaming, but I could be missing something.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#343046: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:34:53 PM

Can you link to the passed government funding bill?

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Supreme Court rejects Texas lawsuit to overturn Biden's election victory.

Edited by nova92 on Dec 11th 2020 at 3:41:54 AM

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#343047: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:39:46 PM

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1790

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#343048: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:43:04 PM

[up][up] Suck it, traitors.

SC: "Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot."

Edited by Parable on Dec 11th 2020 at 3:45:28 AM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#343049: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:45:08 PM

[up][up] That's the NDAA for last year - but I think this is the House bill and the Senate bill for the NDAA this year, and the omnibus spending bill hasn't been filed yet, or at least I can't find it on the gov. website.

Edited by nova92 on Dec 11th 2020 at 3:48:07 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#343050: Dec 11th 2020 at 3:49:14 PM

[up][up][up][up] Apparantly in that lawsuit there were lawyers cited to be representing 'New Nevada' and 'New California'... which was the same tactic tried in the run up to the Civil war. Fuuun.


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