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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#342926: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:17:24 AM

Gabbard: Hawaii's greatest shame.

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#342927: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:37:34 AM

Andrew Yang is heavily considering a run for New York City mayor.

Edited by tclittle on Dec 11th 2020 at 7:47:31 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#342928: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:38:11 AM

Those 109 Republicans are going full MSGA (Make Sedition Great Again).

If only you could expel them the way they did back when the slavers revolted.

[up]Good luck to him. He should be going for lower office before making single issue/meme POTUS runs. But, is he based in NYC/has roots there? Not that is an issue for me, but voters might see him as a Carpet Bagger, etc.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Dec 11th 2020 at 9:43:44 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#342929: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:39:44 AM

Bunch of fucking petty arrested development sore losers...

Literal toddlers can handle losing better than these MAGA chucklefucks.

Edited by M84 on Dec 11th 2020 at 9:40:08 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#342930: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:42:44 AM

Those 109 Republicans wanting to make the election null make me sincerely doubt the GOP is truly abandoning Trump.

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#342931: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:46:19 AM

@tclittle: I think you have the wrong link.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#342932: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:47:44 AM

Ooooooops. I fixed it.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#342933: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:52:31 AM

[up][up][up]It's pretty much nasty political theater. They probably know that this has no chance in hell of working.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#342934: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:57:15 AM

Would it be possible to get that copyright law removed? If not than what would the government shutdown affect this time?

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#342935: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:58:39 AM

I believe riders can be removed, but it may take more than a simply majority.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#342936: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:04:48 AM

Actually, it can take less if the rider is present in the Senate version of the bill but not the House one. In that case, you'll see a committee ("conference committee") of Senators and Representatives which will assemble a "hybrid" bill ("conference report") for both houses to vote on. These committees often strip out contentious provisions such as offtopic riders.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#342937: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:23:38 AM

Defund the Police is a terrible slogan. Any slogan where you need to take time to constantly explain the meaning isn't a good one. People by and large don't want the police defunded, but they do want other social services empowered. The Black Panthers used to go with "police the police"

'Defund' doesn't even work because there's no real correlation between funding and police shootings. The issue is accountability. As for downballot losses, defund the police was used against downballot Dems, that's not disputable. It's also good to point that A) Trump on the ballot drew out tons of rural conservatives who don't often vote and B) that there was a stark shift to the GOP in immigrant communities such as Cubans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans and Vietnamese, which is something we do need to look at.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#342938: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:25:35 AM

Still in favour of 'Police the police',why it has not caught on yet is anyone's guess

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#342939: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:29:05 AM

[up] Makes me think of "Who watches the Watchmen?", but it would be effective. Basically, almost everything would be more effective then "Defund the Police".

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#342940: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:32:29 AM

"Hold Police Accountable"?

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#342942: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:45:43 AM

I think "Don't Tread On Me" works, and as an added bonus, we get to steal one of the alt-right's own slogans from them and re-appropriate it as our own.

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#342943: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:47:38 AM

That assumes people recognize that's what we're doing.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#342944: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:51:38 AM

I thought of "Reboot the Cops" as an alternate, but I'm not sure if that works well either.

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PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#342945: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:55:22 AM

Thought: 'Justice for All'?

It's a phrase from the pledge of allegiance (with liberty and justice for all), but it also has a double meaning in this context. Justice for victims of police misconduct, and having the perpetrators face justice (they are a part of the all, they are not above the law).

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#342946: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:58:45 AM

Trying to take back "Don't tread on me" has the exact same problem as "Defund the police:" you have to stop and explain what it actually means as soon as you say it to someone who's not already in the know. Except in this case, it comes with the added bonus that what you're having to explain is that you're totally not one of those sovereign citizen nutjobs just because you're using their slogan. "Don't tread on me" doesn't even get the right message across in the first place, as its meaning both original and in current usage is against the very concept of government authority, not about police abuse in specific.

"Police the Police" is much stronger, or even just, "Police Accountability."

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#342947: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:59:17 AM

[up][up]The problem with those is that they’re all so vague. Diluting the message so it’s not even directly about how cops are murdering Black people and getting off without punishment is an awful idea.

At least with Defund The Police, people know what you’re talking about.

EDIT: Police The Police is better, though I’m unsure if it’ll gain traction, and if the actual goals are different or not.

Edited by smokeycut on Dec 11th 2020 at 10:02:04 AM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#342948: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:01:56 AM

Um no there is vagueness with Defund the Police. The vagueness comes from do you want to reduce the funding or do you want to take it all away?

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#342949: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:03:30 AM

People at least know who you’re talking about, though. Don’t Tread On Me and Justice For All remove the target, and make it into just a simple “we want good things” slogan, when it’s important to remember who is actually murdering innocent people here.

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#342950: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:03:43 AM

[up] I'm of the personal belief that a slogan should basically be as plain and simple as possible, to the point of actually being easily translatable within whoever's head, and when they are convinced by it and join the cause, they'll more likely stay with the group then say "Oh this isn't what I was expecting, I'm out".

Obama's Slogan "Hope and Change" is vague af but it worked; Obama won several Republican States with it in '08. How many voters in Indiana would have voted for Obama if he had a more precise slogan like "Free Health Care"? A lot less for sure. But Obama wasn't simply hiding behind the vagueness of Hope And Change, he also explained his message to the people who wanted to hear it, and won over most of them.

Basically, the slogan should be a door to the room that is the core message.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Dec 11th 2020 at 10:06:41 AM


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