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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#342901: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:57:00 PM

[up] ... I like it.

What a Page Topper.tongue

[down] I like that too.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Dec 10th 2020 at 9:57:23 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#342902: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:57:02 PM

[up] "Don't Tread on Me", but it will require trying to take it back from Right-wing Extremists and Neo-Nazis.

"End Police Violence", bit on the nose but it works.

"Don't Tread on Us"?

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 10th 2020 at 6:57:24 AM

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#342903: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:58:37 PM

The conservatives will probably interpret this as "But if cops aren't violent, they can't enforce the law!" Then again, these people will grasp at any advantage and manipulate it.

Who cares what conservatives think about it? As you point out, they're inevitably going to interpret anything the Democrats say in bad faith. They're not the target audience.

The target audience is the politically unaligned (not so much "centrists" as people who don't have a strong preference) and left-leaning people who won't get out and vote unless rallied behind a cause they feel strongly about.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#342904: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:59:38 PM

If it makes it harder for Republicans to spin as bad then that's a plus. The article from earlier mentioned only Independents, but their support dropped by like 11 points when "Defund the Police" was tied to a candidate. Spinning the policy in a different manner didn't hurt though.

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#342905: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:09:42 PM

I dunno, fix the police? I'm not good at slogans, but something that is an attack against the police or concept of policing all tends towards the same problem.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#342906: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:11:47 PM

Utah Sen. Mike Lee blocks votes to establish Smithsonian museums for Latinos and women

Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah on Thursday blocked consideration for legislation to establish a National Museum of the American Latino and an American Women's History Museum as part of the Smithsonian Institution, reasoning that the US does not need "separate but equal museums."

"I understand what my colleagues are trying to do and why. I respect what they're trying to do. I even share their interests in ensuring that these stories are told. But the last thing we need is to further divide an already divided nation with an array of segregated, separate-but-equal museums for hyphenated identity groups," Lee said.


Lee's opposition to the bill drew immediate scorn from Sen. Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat and longtime advocate for a Latino museum, who called his approach "pretty outrageous."

"The House of Representatives passed this on voice. The Rules Committee passed it on voice in a bipartisan manner. And tonight, one colleague stands in the way. One Republican colleague from Utah stands in the way of the hopes and dreams and aspirations of seeing Americans of Latino descent having their dreams fulfilled and being recognized," he said. "Just being recognized."


After Lee blocked the legislation to establish the American Women's History Museum, [Susan] Collins said, "Surely in a year where we're celebrating the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage, this is the time, this is the moment to finally pass the legislation unanimously recommended by an independent commission to establish an American Women's History museum in our nation's capital."

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#342907: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:21:49 PM

I...kind of agree. History is stronger and clearer when you integrate the stories of different groups, not section off each one. “American Women’s history” is just “American history”. If you need more space, breaking museums up by time period moreso than by identity group would be my preference. Yes, you do have to make sure that women and people of colour don’t get short shrift, but integrating them makes the story told by each museum more complete and it permits stronger intersectionality.

If you want to tell the story of, say, the Great Depression, you don’t have one museum that covers “the Great Depression generally” (i.e. mainly as experienced by white men), another on the experiences of African-Americans, another on the experiences of Hispanic Americans, another on the experiences of women, etc. You tell all of them together, because they’re all Americans, and all their experiences are a part of understanding the experience of the Great Depression.

Edited by Galadriel on Dec 10th 2020 at 10:27:33 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#342908: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:30:02 PM

But then they don't actually tell those stories in the one museum.

It's been fun.
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#342909: Dec 10th 2020 at 8:21:42 PM

That doesn’t mean they couldn’t.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#342910: Dec 10th 2020 at 8:25:20 PM

But they don't. If they did we wouldn't be having this discussion because it wouldn't be necessary.

Edited by Perseus on Dec 11th 2020 at 3:25:32 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#342911: Dec 10th 2020 at 9:26:14 PM

The sheer perfidiousness of painting museums focused on women and minorities as "separate, but equal" and presenting them as an attempt to divide history is just... awful. The museums we currently have (in general) present a very white man-centric view of history, so these proposed museums are along the lines of "if you won't tell our history, then we will". And that's what's being shut down.

This is not a bunch of little museums that only tell one viewpoint in isolation trying to strip apart a museum with a richly woven tapestry of history. It's a politician looking at people trying to tell their stories after being failed by the existing museums, and saying "nah". With some really insidious language, too.

It's been fun.
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#342912: Dec 10th 2020 at 9:54:45 PM

On the slogan question - I brought up "Safety for All" as the rallying cry that appears to be coming out from Minneapolis. But I think it got lost in the discussion.

Could someone verify my assumption that this is a the motto that progressive legislators in Minneapolis are using? Separate from that, what do people think of "Safety for All" in general?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#342913: Dec 10th 2020 at 10:05:25 PM

So is Paxton hunting for a Pardon from Trump with the lawsuit?

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#342914: Dec 10th 2020 at 10:07:06 PM

[up][up]It doesn't seem to be a motto so much as what they called the plan they voted on. I wouldn't consider it a very catchy slogan anyway. "Defund the Police" has its problems, but at least people know what you're aiming for.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Dec 10th 2020 at 10:07:23 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#342915: Dec 10th 2020 at 10:27:39 PM

[up][up] Maybe. Considering the FBI just subpoenaed his office in the ongoing whistleblower allegations where he fired several whistleblowers who came forth on his bribery.

Speaking of Texas: Texas Department of Agriculture head Sid Miller has tested positive for COVID-19.

Edited by tclittle on Dec 10th 2020 at 12:29:14 PM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#342916: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:36:13 PM

Forbes: 106 House Republicans Support Trump-Backed Lawsuit To Overturn Election

A group of 106 Republican House members, more than half of the GOP caucus in the chamber, signed an amicus brief filed Thursday in support of a lawsuit backed by President Trump that seeks to overturn the election.

The suit claims the states' electors should be invalidated because expanded mail-in voting due to the Covid-19 outbreak resulted in widespread fraud and irregularities – an allegation that has already dismissed by courts numerous times.

It's actually at least 109 because 3 additional House Republicans said they had been left off by accident. So 56% of the House GOP supports this.

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#342917: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:28:23 AM

Time Person(s) of the Year: Biden and Harris

I care less that they won and more that Trump struck out yet again

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#342918: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:32:02 AM

This summarizes my opinion of why it slaps as a slogan.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#342919: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:33:09 AM

Also today is once again Shutdown day

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#342920: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:35:04 AM

Frankly, "Rebuild the police" would have been a better slogan than "Defund" , and that's saying something.

[up]Because of that rider in the budget bill?

Edited by Medinoc on Dec 11th 2020 at 9:35:32 PM

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#342921: Dec 11th 2020 at 12:39:00 AM

If no budget/continuing resolution is passed at midnight tonight (local time) the US Government is shutting down

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#342922: Dec 11th 2020 at 1:15:40 AM

[up] And the bill they are trying to pass has a poison pill placed in it to kill streaming.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#342923: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:05:17 AM

Would the government shutting down affect Biden getting into office?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#342924: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:05:50 AM

No. He becomes POTUS on January 20 no matter what.

Disgusted, but not surprised
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#342925: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:15:44 AM

I’m a page late, but honestly all I can think is that Gabbard (and everyone else who wants to push trans women out of women’s sports) should read up on Mack Beggs. Because of rules like this, Beggs (who is a trans man and takes testosterone as part of hormone therapy treatments) was forced to wrestle and change clothes with female students.

He proceeded to utterly dominate all of his opponents because, hey, having a trans man wrestle with women means the women aren’t likely gonna win anymore. But that’s what these people want, because they flat out don’t understand how hormone therapy works.

It utterly baffles me that the one sport that doesn’t have issues with trans competitors is pro wrestling, of all things. Like, I get why to an extent (winners are pre determined and whatnot), but the outrage over Nyla Rose (a trans woman) competing against other women is minimal.


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