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#342826: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:08:07 AM

[up]x5 "Moderate" Republicans like Romney and Cruz would not want 4 more years of Trump. Far-right Republicans like Matt Gaetz, Steve King and Marjorie Taylor Greene? "4 more years and beyond!"

[up]I also remember that his son-in-law Jared Kushner discussed letting the "blue" states take the full brunt of the pandemic fallout to cushion "red" states, or something like that.

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#342827: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:18:53 AM

I do not, however, think it's hyperbole to call Trump a mass murderer. Certainly thousands of innocent people have died because he chose to let COVID ran rampant. And that really was 100% his decision.

Certainly, my objection is not to calling Trump a mass murderer. My issue is with the in all of American history bit, we've had genocides. It devalues them to argue that a non-genocidal President is a worse murderer.

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#342828: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:22:49 AM

We have had presidents who have literally shot people in cold blood. We have had presidents run concentration camps, Eugenics and other such things.... many of which are seen as heroes today.

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#342829: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:32:47 AM

Exactly.

I'm not trying to argue that people shouldn't hate Trump or recognize the enormity of his crimes, just that we should be careful about saying that he's the worst of x category.

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#342830: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:34:01 AM

[up]x4 Cruz is not "Moderate". Not by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you're talking about someone who isn't Ted Cruz.

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#342831: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:40:47 AM

[up]Hence the quotation marks around "moderate". By Republicans' standards they are "moderate" but to the general people they are not moderate at all.

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#342832: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:46:03 AM

Even by GOP standards Cruz is a full on Kool-Aid drinker.

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#342833: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:48:00 AM

I think a better example of a so-called "moderate" Republican would be Romney in that he's awful but not full on crazy.

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#342834: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:48:46 AM

Cruz is a delusionary ideologue. He thinks he's a Chosen One on a holy mission from God to lead this country.

He's not a moderate or a Trump toadie; he's a zealot of a different stripe.

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#342835: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:49:06 AM

Right, Cruz has never been considered moderate by anyone in or out of the Republican Party. He shut down the government because he was mad about the ACA, something even others in his party weren't willing to do.

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#342836: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:51:13 AM

In fact ironically someone who I would have described as "moderate" is Lindsey Graham. That's obviously no longer the case, but pre-trump he was. Cruz I would've never described as moderate. He's as crazy as Pence.

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#342837: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:52:29 AM

Oops. My blunder for listing Cruz as a "moderate". I probably should have put Gov. Hogan in there instead of Cruz; I completely forgot about Cruz's behavior of cozying up with T*** even after the latter insulted his wife.

[up]Graham was never moderate to begin with. He just pretended to be moderate for PR points.

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#342838: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:52:45 AM

These people have been on death row for decades, though. Clearly both parties are kicking their executions down the road, then.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm against the death penalty, but this seems rather indecisive. Why did Bush not execute them, if Republicans are all for it? Why did Obama not pardon them (or whatever equivalent would have commuted their sentences to life), if the Democrats are opposing it?

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#342839: Dec 10th 2020 at 11:55:28 AM

I wouldn't describe Romney as moderate either. Just in comparison with the rest of the GOP.

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#342840: Dec 10th 2020 at 12:00:07 PM

Moderate by that definition is any Republican who could hold sway within the party without relying on an association with Trump. Hence why you could lump Cruz in with Romney as Cruz has his own prominent brand within the Senate that predates Trump and doesn't strictly depend on Trump.

I agree however that moderate really does not seem the correct label. But the middle is defined by the extremes and it just may be that Cruz is closer to sanity than the majority of his colleagues whom have thrown their lot in with Trump.

I guess ask yourself this question: who do you consider to be more moderate - Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz? And compare that answer to what you would have said in 2016.

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#342841: Dec 10th 2020 at 12:04:01 PM

But he isn't. Cruz is exceptionally a fanatic. I remember in the 2016 the only person some of my family and family friends were scared of more than Trump was Cruz (I was still more scared of Trump, but it was very close run thing). Considering a couple of days ago he claimed he would have lead the charge as a lawyer if the supreme court had taken up the Pennsylvania case it was I believe, yeah I think he's solidly on the Trump train now.

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#342842: Dec 10th 2020 at 12:14:33 PM

Remember that Republicans are opportunistic. Not everyone who bends the knee to the Republican President, #1 Party Leader, with the huge voterbase and a tendency towards massive retaliation over even teh tiniest of slights, does so because they're a fanatical believer in him. The GOP made its bed four years ago; the current status quo is that you stand up for Trump or you get the fuck out and hope the Democrats will take you. Every Republican in Washington knows this.

Remember also that talk is cheap. It costs literally nothing to say "Oh, I would be out there CHAMPIONING TRUMP AS A PALADIN OF THE CAUSE but oh, I just can't because of reasons, but I TOTES WOULD DO IT and all of you remember that next election season!"

Michael Cohen was saying he'd take a bullet for Trump for decades. Michael Cohen sold Trump out to the FBI. Empty bluster is good for PR, can make you feel like a real big strong man, and costs nothing.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 10th 2020 at 12:17:08 PM

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#342843: Dec 10th 2020 at 12:36:44 PM

I wouldn't describe Romney as moderate either. Just in comparison with the rest of the GOP.

Yeah, that's why I put moderate in scare-quotes. To emphasize that it was very much a relative term.

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#342844: Dec 10th 2020 at 12:40:40 PM

I agree with you, I was more responding to Clemont with regards to the likes of Graham, Romney, "moderate" and such.

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#342845: Dec 10th 2020 at 12:43:40 PM

Fair enough.

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#342846: Dec 10th 2020 at 1:47:43 PM

I’d draw a distinction between the ‘moderate’ Republicans and the Established Republicans, now we also have the Trumpian Republicans, the three groups cover the three major wings of the party, though all three are incredibly right-wing and regressive.

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#342849: Dec 10th 2020 at 2:09:38 PM

RE: Executions

Prior to Trump giving the go-ahead, there had been a 20-year span in which there were no Federal executions, and Biden would likely put that moratorium back into place.

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#342850: Dec 10th 2020 at 2:19:12 PM

Bold of you guys to assume that the FBI are noble people who would ever favor the democrats.

They're more than happy to snuff out left wing groups and turn a blind eye to radical right wing groups.

Uhhh no, there the reason that Antifa is NOT considered a terrorist group dispite republicians continually pushing that it is, and Trump demanding they be considered one..

The FBI keeps going "no, they are not terrorists and the bigest threat to the US right now is white nationalisim"

The FBI isnt great, see 2016, and I have no doubt they did that in the past, but no right now they are doing the opposite and going after right wing groups while ignoring the republicians going on and on "what about antifa"


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