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Imca (Veteran)
#342701: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:48:12 PM

Having had to deal with those kinds of negotiations, that is also true, but I always thought that was something that was the relm of bigger group effort streaming types, rather then the kind that tend to dominate twitch.... Then agian some one with Ninja's popularity probaly does have his own legal team...

Overall I feel that sentiment is correct, but I also feel this has way more potential to hurt the smaller names then the bigger ones, which is kinda of.... not good for an ecoystem

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#342702: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:48:23 PM

Like I asked, would Dailymotion be effected, since they are completely based in France?

Not directly, but any US citizen or US resident who put anything onto Dailymotion would be.

Edited by Silasw on Dec 9th 2020 at 12:49:27 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#342703: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:48:25 PM

They can [probably] court order internet providers in the US to block Daily motion like they did with Pirate Bay

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 9th 2020 at 12:48:53 PM

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Imca (Veteran)
#342704: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:49:42 PM

Actualy yes, fairly directly, they may be based and posibly even hosted overseas, but almost all web traffic (over 97%) passes through the US at some point, where US laws do apply and affect it.

This is how the US manages to shut down websites fairly reguarly that neither host in the US, nor have there owners based out of the US.

To be fair to the American government, the problem isn't just them passing bullshit legislation, though that doesn't help, but also that Amazon pretty much owns the entire back end of the internet.

Edited by Imca on Dec 9th 2020 at 4:50:48 AM

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#342705: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:51:59 PM

This would also be really bad for anime, since they mostly rely on streaming for exposure these days.

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#342706: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:52:06 PM

> but also that Amazon pretty much owns the entire back end of the internet

If anyone is wondering HOW,they own a lot of server farms

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#342707: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:52:45 PM

How the hell does that high a percentage of wed traffic flow via the US? If you could share some sources I’d love to learn more.

[up] Yeah I guess that’s another layer, even if you’re a company 100% outside the US with servers 100% outside the US, if the server farm is owned by a US company than US law de facto applies.

Edited by Silasw on Dec 9th 2020 at 12:55:05 PM

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Imca (Veteran)
#342708: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:58:05 PM

How is because Amazon owns pretty much all the internet's physical structure, as the previous poster mentioned....

If you want something REALLY mind boggling, 70% of it passes through a town in the middle of no where in virgina with a population of less then 50,000, here is an article on it.

And yes, it is just as problematic as you imagine, not just for stuff like this, but also security risks... that datacenter had a firealarm go off a while back, and it killed a large chunk of the internet with it.... so like, the actual physical vulnerability is a problem too.

Edited by Imca on Dec 9th 2020 at 5:00:09 AM

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#342709: Dec 9th 2020 at 4:58:51 PM

Regarding that proposed law, the Senator who pushed it into the government funding bill doesn't seem to realize that it makes the U.S. more like China, a country Republicans are supposed to hate.

Oh and I'm sure Dems will notice and block this effort. It's a flagrant attempt to undermine content creators by wannabee-dictators, and it would not sit well with most people, even some on the right.

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#342710: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:00:11 PM

Regarding that proposed law, the Senator who pushed it into the government funding bill doesn't seem to realize that it makes the U.S. more like China, a country Republicans are supposed to hate.

You think they care?

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#342711: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:04:45 PM

Also there’s simply a bad precedent is allowing riders to get put on must-pass bills, either keep them clean or stick your own riders on them.

[up]X3 Now I'm imagining a spy thriller set in that town involving someone trying to gain physical access to some of the server farms.

Edited by Silasw on Dec 9th 2020 at 1:09:20 PM

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#342712: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:08:34 PM

...Okay, mini-rant: I'm kind of perturbed that people here have spent several pages now talking about streaming while there is the attempted judicial coup that is the Texas lawsuit to overturn the election, which now has a ton of red state AGs filing briefs in support.

Yeah, nobody's taking it seriously after the Supreme Court ignored the Pennsylvania one. But this is still the most explicit and unambiguous attack on American democracy by Republicans thus far. There should be constant outrage over this. If not for the pandemic I'd be literally trying to organize a protest myself (and the only reason I'm not doing that in spite of the pandemic is that people shouldn't risk their health over something, again, that no one's taking seriously).

And the fact that it's pretty blatantly a stunt in hopes for a pardon from one embattled criminal to another, as opposed to an actual attempt to overthrow the Constitution, should frankly make it more outrageous.

I get that people are more concerned about the thing that might actually happen and affect their daily lives, and that everyone's gotten pretty jaded to all of these lawsuits. But still.

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#342713: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:08:54 PM

As I was saying, this is also really bad for the anime industry because of their reliance on streaming for their content to get exposure these days.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#342714: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:09:23 PM

[up][up] What do you want us to say that hasn't already been said? It's not gonna work, so there's no reason to panic over it. The Republicans are attempting a blatant and hideous power grab? Yeah. That's nothing new. It's not as if us restating how terrible the thing they're doing is repeatedly in this internet forum thread would achieve anything.

Edited by Perseus on Dec 10th 2020 at 12:13:14 AM

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A procrastination in of itself
#342715: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:11:00 PM

[up][up] Are the streams done against the wishes of the anime creator? Because that’s what would be hit, it’s not all streams that would be criminalised, it’s streams/uploads that break copyright law.

[up]X3 We’re avoiding talking about it because we don’t want to induce any of the panic prone people in this thread into having panic attacks. Both for the sake of their health and because I’m really bloody sick of having to play mental-health-first-aider for people in this thread.

Edited by Silasw on Dec 9th 2020 at 1:16:14 PM

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#342716: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:12:28 PM

As I was saying, this is also really bad for the anime industry because of their reliance on streaming for their content to get exposure these days.

Why? Most of it's now translated and cast simultaneously. The rights are secured beforehand.

Illegal streaming is already illegal and ignoring DMCA and everything, so it's not like that's affected either.

[up]x4 Why talk about something with nothing to say? Republicans making another PR coup attempt is what it is, it's not going anywhere so why ruminate on it again.

Edited by RainehDaze on Dec 9th 2020 at 1:13:21 PM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#342717: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:12:42 PM

[up]x8 You sure the Democrats will be able to stop it?

Edited by Kaiseror on Dec 9th 2020 at 7:13:13 AM

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#342718: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:14:28 PM

Do people think the header that specifically says to avoid panicking and fearmongering is just for decoration or something?

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A procrastination in of itself
#342719: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:15:00 PM

You sure the Democrats will be able to stop it?

They certainly can stop it, all they do is pass a clean version of the bill instead of the version with the rider. The concern is that copyright fuckery has had bi-partisan support in the past so the people behind past attempts might unify to try and sneak this past the public.

Do people think the header that specifically says to avoid panicking and fearmongering is just for decoration or something?

I’m not ruling out some people taking the dam thing as a challenge at this point...

Edited by Silasw on Dec 9th 2020 at 1:15:48 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#342720: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:16:44 PM

The bloody obvious reason to stop it is that it doesn't do anything to actually secure copyright or make it easier to separate fair use from unfair use. It just randomly increases the penalty, which will do absolutely nothing except cause headaches.

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A procrastination in of itself
#342721: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:19:32 PM

There’s also the purely partisan reason to stop it.

Letting Republicans add random-arse riders to must-pass bills is a bad precedent to set.

Top day it might be bi-partisan copyright fuckery, but tomorrow it’ll be criminalising Planned Parenthood.

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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#342722: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:21:28 PM

If you want something REALLY mind boggling, 70% of it passes through a town in the middle of no where in virgina with a population of less then 50,000, here is an article on it.

And yes, it is just as problematic as you imagine, not just for stuff like this, but also security risks... that datacenter had a firealarm go off a while back, and it killed a large chunk of the internet with it.... so like, the actual physical vulnerability is a problem too.

Wait, so the whole scene in Avengers: Age of Ultron where the heroes visit a server hub which the whole internet goes through apparently has some basis in reality?

For this streaming felony situation it would be best if it gets the attention of Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) as he's probably the congressman most attuned to negative practices from Silicon Valley.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#342723: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:25:50 PM

It's not as if us restating how terrible the thing they're doing is repeatedly in this internet forum thread would achieve anything.

I mean, it feels like the same thing goes for the streaming thing too.

I dunno if there's actually any more to say about it. I guess I'm just kinda mad at seeing the thing that propels several pages of posting in a short time being the threat to Twitch and not the US Constitution.

(And beyond the bounds of this thread/forum specifically, I really do feel like people aren't nearly vocally outraged enough. DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE TRYING TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY should be the constant theme of every ad in the Georgia runoffs, for instance.)

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Nero Fangirl
#342724: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:27:12 PM

Because people are less clear on copyright law, the implications of copyright law, and what this actually means for their pastimes than they are that "oh, the Republicans are being authoritarian again"? People are going to talk about the interesting and relevant thing.

If you don't like that, you can leave and find somewhere else to navel gaze on constitutional precedent.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#342725: Dec 9th 2020 at 5:30:47 PM

[up][up] Except we're not just restating how terrible the copyright thing is, there's actual active discussion of what the ramifications might be and how it could and should be stopped, for the reasons that Raineh said.

Edited by Perseus on Dec 10th 2020 at 12:31:18 AM


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