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#342626: Dec 9th 2020 at 11:27:28 AM

Although I know the videos Youtube will remove are not truthful, at the same time I'm not entirely comfortable with Google unilaterally policing what it wants. Big corporations getting/giving themselves more power is generally not a good thing.

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Everyone's friend Malamar
#342627: Dec 9th 2020 at 11:29:06 AM

Well, it's too damaging not to have the job done by someone. And it's not going to be the government doing it in the foreseeable future.

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#342628: Dec 9th 2020 at 11:59:08 AM

@parable

Then logic dictates that we have everyone saying Biden won so Trump effectively silences himself.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
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#342629: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:09:22 PM

Pennsylvania governor Tom Wolfe tests positive for COVID-19.

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#342630: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:13:29 PM

Wolf, not Wolfe.

Michigan legislator who gave 'warning' to Trump supporters stripped of committee seats. How are these comments any worse than the rhetoric Trump supporters often espouse? Because they were uttered by a black Democratic woman?

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Dec 9th 2020 at 9:22:06 PM

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#342631: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:15:03 PM

[up]X5 It’s their platform, outside of non-discrimination laws I don’t think the government should be requiring private companies to provide accommodation to people.

Tech companies should be taking more responsibility for the news they disseminate, not less.

Edited by Silasw on Dec 9th 2020 at 8:15:23 PM

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#342632: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:15:36 PM

How are these comments any worse than the rhetoric Trump supporters often espouse? Because they were utttered by a black Democratic woman?

Yes. Exactly.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#342633: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:18:18 PM

[up][up][up]

Eh, this particular bit - And for those of you who are soldiers, you know how to do it. Do it right. Be in order. Make them pay - raises a red flag or two to me.

And this is the shitty part about being a Doomed Moral Victor - you hold on to your values, but the other side has no such compunction.

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#342634: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:51:48 PM

I could use some good news.

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#342635: Dec 9th 2020 at 12:57:18 PM

[up]Then you're in the wrong thread. Nothing is good news anymore... except for SNL!!

Edited by clemont107 on Dec 9th 2020 at 3:57:28 PM

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#342637: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:04:46 PM

Unfortunately, I have a couple of bits of bad news too.

Seventeen states have filed a joint amicus brief in support of the Texas lawsuit. (The link is a PDF of the official SCOTUS brief document.)

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) has snuck in a rider to the latest government funding bill to make unauthorized online streaming a felony punishable by jail time.

The latter is a real problem. If Democrats block/delay the government funding due to this rider, you know what the Republican response will be, but if they let it go through...

Edited by TotemicHero on Dec 9th 2020 at 4:06:49 AM

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#342638: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:07:07 PM

[up]Isn't online unauthorized streaming already punishable by jail time?

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#342639: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:13:12 PM

As per my understanding, under current U.S. law copyright violations like that are a civil misdemeanor, and thus would not be subject to criminal penalties such as jail time. The rider is set to change that.

As the article points out, Tillis's reelection efforts were heavily financially backed by PACs working for big music and film companies, so...yeah.

Edited by TotemicHero on Dec 9th 2020 at 4:13:25 AM

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#342640: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:16:16 PM

So can someone explain the Texas lawsuit to me? Is it seriously that Texas wants to sue another state for not interpreting a law the same way they do? I thought republicans wanted the states to be MORE autonomous?

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#342641: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:17:35 PM

Not if the states are going to do things that the Republicans disagree with.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
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#342642: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:18:29 PM

[up][up]No, no, no. They only want states to be autonomous when it's in the Republicans' favor. Again, Republicans are evil by default.

Edited by astrokitty on Dec 9th 2020 at 4:19:14 AM

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#342643: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:32:27 PM

It's all about control with the Republicans. Can't control something? Legislate so they can. If they can't after that? Destroy, replace, or maim it until they can.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#342644: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:39:32 PM

Hunter Biden is under tax investigation by the US Attorney's Office in Delaware.

IIRC this is 5 days before the electoral college votes are counted or some such? (If I'm wrong, correct me, 2020 has been a crazy year.)

Also, I hate that we're in such a state where the first thing that comes to mind is "Trump ordered the investigation to derail Biden's transition because of his extreme pettiness and petulance over losing", but I guess this is the country now.

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Mega Togekiss?!
#342645: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:44:10 PM

[up]For those fearing faithless electors choosing T*** over Biden, a Supreme Court ruling earlier this year essentially forbade electors from being faithless, so Biden gets to be President regardless of all the work Orange Grandpa and his team are doing to damage his family's reputation.

Pretty soon it will be Orange Grandpa's family that is under tax investigation...

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#342646: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:48:13 PM

Seventeen states have filed a joint amicus brief in support of the Texas lawsuit. (The link is a PDF of the official SCOTUS brief document.)

Which lawsuit? There are far too many of the things around.

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#342647: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:48:55 PM

So can someone explain the Texas lawsuit to me? Is it seriously that Texas wants to sue another state for not interpreting a law the same way they do? I thought republicans wanted the states to be MORE autonomous?

States' rights have always been a cover, from the very beginning reactionaries have used it as a weapon to attack the central government for daring to interfere in their depredations.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#342648: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:52:54 PM

[up][up] I think it's the one mentioned here.

PDF of the filing.

Edited by Altris on Dec 9th 2020 at 1:53:18 AM

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
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#342649: Dec 9th 2020 at 1:56:02 PM

Why do they expect the Supreme Court to fall on its sword for them even more blatantly than the Pennsylvania case?

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#342650: Dec 9th 2020 at 2:04:38 PM

Wanting Trump's favor, and therefore a presidential pardon, seems the most likely candidate.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr

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