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#342026: Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:41:35 AM

[up][up] It seems to be more explicitly directed at undermining the Biden presidency. The assumption before the elections was that Trump would win, after all. But now that he's lost, the attitude seems to have switched to getting as many Republican plans done as possible before the handover, and to thoroughly undermine Biden's presidency.

[up] He does have the power to declare a national emergency though, right? I think we've talked about that before when he did so for the Caravan.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 2nd 2020 at 5:42:40 PM

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#342027: Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:48:02 AM

He would still need something to declare the emergency about.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:48:13 AM

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#342028: Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:51:24 AM

[up][up]And plenty of people have pointed out that the risk of him achieving anything at large scale is ridiculously beyond contempt. He does not have the support of the army. He does not have the support form the judicial branch. He only has the nominal support of the majority of republicans - even McConnel has not responded to the whole MUH FAKE ELECTION shenanigans.

The real risk is him spuring lone wolves. Not him starting a revolt.

Edited by Aszur on Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:52:05 AM

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#342029: Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:54:53 AM

[up] That's not at all what I'm saying, just to be clear. I think he might do it to run interference and whip up outrage among his base, but I do not expect it to actually work.

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#342030: Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:57:19 AM

And how is that different to anything he's ever done in his entire run as president? Trump is a loud ineffectual imbecile racking up money for himself through his scam funding efforts - his latest one being this "Fake election" garbage

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#342031: Dec 2nd 2020 at 8:59:34 AM

Whether or not Trump can declare a state of emergency is meaningless. His base is already outraged, and it wouldn’t stop Biden from taking office anyways.

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#342032: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:01:16 AM

Like I said, it is different in that he is specifically targeting the next presidency now.

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#342033: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:10:32 AM

[up]How so?

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#342034: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:10:46 AM

[up]x3 His anti-base (meaning those that are not part of his base) are outraged that he's not being respectful to Biden. Of course there are limits to how much or how long Biden can remain respectful to Mr. Orange himself when all he does is attack Biden and the Dems for "rigging" the election.

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#342035: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:10:57 AM

He does have the power to declare a national emergency though, right?

Sure, he can also proclaim a national monument, both have an equal legal impact on the transition of power to Biden.

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#342036: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:18:00 AM

[up][up][up] Because he assumed he would win before the election. Now that he realizes he's lost, he's going on a spiteful rampage to make things hard for Biden.

[up] I'm not sure anyone is claiming that?

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#342037: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:20:07 AM

Washington Post: California Democrats urged people to stay home - and then did the opposite at restaurants and holiday parties

Key passages:

As the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors debated last week whether to ban outdoor dining, Democrat Sheila Kuehl was quick to speak up in favor of restrictions. It was "a bit of magical thinking," the county supervisor said, to believe restaurant staffers could safely wait on unmasked diners amid a surge in coronavirus infections.

"This is a serious health emergency, and we must take it seriously," she said, casting one of three votes that would again prohibit the practice across the county of more than 10 million people.

Hours later, according to KTTV, she was spotted dining alfresco at an Italian restaurant in Santa Monica, Calif.

Kuehl is one of at least four high-profile California Democrats who have landed in hot water in recent days for failing to abide by their own public health recommendations.

Despite pleading with residents to stay home to slow the spread of coronavirus - which has killed at least 269,000 people in the United States - those very same lawmakers have ignored state and local rules, attending large holiday gatherings or indoor birthday celebrations. In one case, two politicians' dinners took place on consecutive nights at the same pricey restaurant in Napa Valley.

Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) and San Francisco Mayor London Breed (D) both traveled to Napa Valley for birthday dinners last month at the French Laundry, a venerable eatery where reservations are famously hard-won, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

The parties took place on Nov. 6 and 7, respectively, when Napa County allowed indoor dining without a cap on the number of households that could gather at one table. But statewide guidelines discouraged such dinners and limited them to three households, a boundary that Newsom's group of a dozen people appeared to breach.

In San Jose, meanwhile, Mayor Sam Liccardo (D) has drawn similar scrutiny for traveling to his parents' home for an outdoor Thanksgiving dinner, despite urging others not to do the same.

The blowback to politicians' pricey French Laundry meals has been fierce, with at least one restaurant specifically mocking Newsom's meal there. Eat at Joe's, a greasy spoon in Redondo Beach, Calif., continued serving customers outside - in defiance of Los Angeles County's ban on outdoor dining - while covering up its sign with a banner bearing the French Laundry logo.

"If it's good enough for Gavin Newsom, it's good enough for all of my clients," owner Alex Jordan told KNTV.

California Democrats really need to stop being such arrogant clowns before the Republicans persuade frustrated voters to help them flip more Congress seats in two years.

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#342038: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:51:07 AM

Trump targeted the legitimacy of the election before it even started...so him targeting the next lection isn't new even now

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#342039: Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:52:26 AM

[up][up] ...

I'm starting to see why purity politics are a thing now. And I'm also staring to think that hypocrisy of this scale should be an impeachable offense.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Dec 2nd 2020 at 9:52:37 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#342040: Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:01:41 AM

He's not targeting the next election, he is targeting Biden's presidency, specifically. That's the difference.

I'm not sure how to put this any clearer.

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#342041: Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:07:41 AM

[up]x2 - x4: Like I said in the other thread thinking I was posting in this one, seeing stuff like this in the news doesn't make it any easier to convince the "BOTH SIDES" crowd that they're A. wrong, and B. abetting the more corrupt side with their attitude.

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#342042: Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:20:47 AM

[up] Still think the lawmakers dining at resteraunts should be held accoutnable, doing that might help make the bothsiderists look foolish when they seen that the democratic base hold their politicians accountable while the republicans' base don't.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:22:51 AM

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#342043: Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:24:04 AM

It would indeed help if politicians practice what they preach.

And that includes politics adjacent people, like a certain king I could name...

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#342044: Dec 2nd 2020 at 11:05:36 AM

[up][up] Feel like that wouldn't make a difference, the action alone "proves" their point.

Edited by Cross on Dec 2nd 2020 at 2:06:13 PM

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#342045: Dec 2nd 2020 at 11:12:41 AM

[up][up][up] Honestly, that might even backfire— “See, the democrats are eating in restaurants and being protested, but nobody’s protesting republicans doing the same thing, so republicans must not be doing that!”

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#342046: Dec 2nd 2020 at 11:17:08 AM

If the optics are gonna look bad either way then they should face serious repercussions regardless.

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#342047: Dec 2nd 2020 at 11:45:40 AM

Remember people fighting with airlines over what sort of emotional support animal they can bring on board? Well, the Department of Transportation nixed that by adding a rule clarifying only dogs trained helping a person with a disability can be allowed on flights.

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#342048: Dec 2nd 2020 at 11:57:39 AM

[up]Considering T***'s personal hatred of dogs I think he would have forbidden airplanes from having dogs at all if he had his way.

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#342049: Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:00:44 PM

Makes sense to me.

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#342050: Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:33:53 PM

[up][up]Only evidence I can think of backing that up is that he's the only US President in recent memory who doesn't own pets.

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