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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
It wasn't meant to be. There have been the occasional right-wing trolls who drop links with a message like "Hey guys, just saw this. Doesn't look good, what do you guys think...?" It's not really a discussion so much as hurling a grenade.
All right.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Nov 30th 2020 at 2:13:37 PM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Re: supposed election discrepancy, it's probably just because there's so much scrutiny this election. The more you look for issues, the more screw-ups you find. It's just that most of them are normal mistakes that wouldn't be more than local news of "election official makes mistake, is asked to resign".
Nah, this dude is just flat out lying. I have a bit of time, so just to touch on a few of the more egregious points:
Bellweather states are not causal, and don't remain bellweathers forever. His point on the Hispanic vote is just flat out wrong, and swings toward Trump weren't uniform, and Biden lost Florida. The author also simply doesn't consider that college-educated and suburban white voters could have shifted toward Democrats.
Conservatives again fail to understand that land doesn't vote - people do. Since Obama, Democrats are collapsing in sparsely populated rural areas, which have few people but make up lots of counties, while driving up the margin enormously in urban areas, which make up few counties but have many voters. Also Obama got a higher percentage, but more people turned out in 2020. You can't compare raw votes to margins.
Party registration trends are lagging indicators, you can't compare a primary for an incumbent President with an open primary, a ton of people in betting markets don't have a clue about politics, Democrats actually saw a record number of small donors this year, etc.
1. Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers
2. Statistically abnormal vote counts were the new normal when counting resumed. They were unusually large in size (hundreds of thousands) and had an unusually high (90 percent and above) Biden-to-Trump ratio
3. Late arriving ballots were counted. In Pennsylvania, 23,000 absentee ballots have impossible postal return dates and another 86,000 have such extraordinary return dates they raise serious questions
4. The failure to match signatures on mail-in ballots. The destruction of mail-in ballot envelopes, which must contain signatures
5. Historically low absentee ballot rejection rates despite the massive expansion of mail voting. Such is Biden's narrow margin that, as political analyst Robert Barnes observes, 'If the states simply imposed the same absentee ballot rejection rate as recent cycles, then Trump wins the election'
6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing
7. Non-resident voters. Matt Braynard's Voter Integrity Project estimates that 20,312 people who no longer met residency requirements cast ballots in Georgia. Biden's margin is 12,670 votes
Nice to see he doesn't include a single citation on any of these points, except for the Voter Integrity Project, conveniently not mentioning that Matt Braynard is a former Trump campaign staffer. None of those points are true. 1. Observers were in the room when ballots were counted. 2. Later votes were from early/mail-in votes, often from Democratic strongholds. 3. Late-arriving ballots were segregated from other ballots in Pennsylvania, per a court case - Biden won comfortably without them. 4. Again, this is a lie. Signatures were matched. 6. This is based on one dude claiming such a thing happened, no proof to back it up, and none of the other poll watchers reported any irregularities. 7. Voter fraud did not happen in Georgia, per the Republican Secretary of State. Braynard is literally claiming that he's just calling people and they're admitting to having committed voter fraud on the phone to him and promising to bear witness. [1]
This entire article is just lies, spun whole cloth. There is no shred of credible evidence of voter fraud, stolen votes, etc.
Edited by nova92 on Dec 1st 2020 at 12:37:10 PM
...Okay, this isn't nearly the dumbest thing in there - or even necessarily about this statement specifically - but 100 minus 35 is 65, which is more than 60. What is the "gotcha" here even supposed to be?
Especially considering that Biden didn't actually win Florida - and in fact kinda got stomped there - to begin with.
(And yeah, I know third-party candidates exist, but they didn't make much impact this election.)
Edit: Totally unrelated, but I'd rather not double-post again - so how likely is it that the Georgia Senate runoffs will actually be called on January 5? I'm seeing reports that close to a million absentee ballots have already been requested, which makes me suspect there's going to be a repeat of Election 'Week', especially since it's going to be another close race.
Edited by nrjxll on Dec 1st 2020 at 4:41:21 AM
To my mind, I'd think if there truly was something to be concerned about re: voting irregularities, one of the Trump campaign's three dozen-odd lawsuits would have turned up something, rather than fail almost universally and, in at least one instance
, before a Trump appointed judge.
They're actively looking for evidence of fraud. Even accounting for Giuliani's incompetence, if there were something like proof sitting around Trump's lawyers would have jumped on it.
Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 1st 2020 at 5:25:18 AM
Maybe it's because T**** himself is made of fraud.
This is hilarious: WATCH: Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey Blows Off Trump Phone Call In the Middle of Certifying Election Results
It works 100% of the time, 30% of the time, most of the time!
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesWhile most of the allegations thrown by the far-right and Trumpers are utterly laughable, there are actually some centrists and even Democrats who believe that the election system is fundamentally flawed and prone to forms of fraud. They also came from the same stock of people who completely distrusts mainstream media for whatever reason.
Scaled seekerThey probably also believe in alternative medicine and hate electric cars. People like that don't fall victim to just one hoax or conspiracy theory.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"To be fair, there's hardly anything conspiratorial in saying that the election system is fundamentally flawed in the broadest sense of the phrase. Like I said on the last page, the Republican candidate has won the popular vote once in my lifetime. The Electoral College remains the stupidest antidemocratic archaism of an American political system that has more than a few antidemocratic archaisms.
It's true: the most ironic thing about these conspiracy theories is that they assume some kind of secret anti-democratic operations, when the actual anti-democratic operation is right out in plain sight, written into the Constitution. It's called the Electoral College. Without it, the GOP might actually have to appeal to a majority of Americans.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I'm just wondering why someone here is even following an outlet like Spectator.
Disgusted, but not surprised